The UK's pension rules are too generous

By MoneyWeek editor-in-chief Merryn Somerset Webb Jun 15, 2010

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What is the point of providing tax relief on pension contributions? The usual answer is that we want to encourage people to save for their old age. That's true of course, but what we rarely ask is why we want to do this.

You might say that it is because we want to encourage them not to overspend on their present at the expense of their future; that we want to be sure people have a satisfying retirement; or that it is one of the marks of a civilised society that a working life ends in a degree of comfort.

But from the point of view of the government (and the taxpayer), that's not it at all. We want to make people save now so that we don't have to pay them too much in the way of welfare later. Look at it that way, and our pension tax relief system makes absolutely no sense.

Why? Because we're letting people save far too much. How much does a pensioner need to survive without the help of the state? One answer might be: the same amount as the minimum wage. I'd say that's pretty mean. Working full time (40 hours a week with no holidays) on the minimum wage would bring in not much more than £11,000 a year – not a sum that we can realistically pretend is a pleasant living wage these days.

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So let's say £15,000. That's still a bit mean but, added to the basic state pension – another £5,077.80 – it's definitely enough to live on. But if £15,000 a year is enough to shift financial responsibility from the state to the individual, why on earth are we subsidising people to save more?


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Right now you can, one way or another, have a total of £1.8m (the current "lifetime limit") in a pension fund. Even if you assume that you can earn only 3% on that, it still provides an income of about £54,000 – and that's without running down the capital.

The last Labour government attempted to cut back on pension tax relief for the better-off with a system whereby tax relief tapers off after a worker earns more than £130,000. But this is to entirely miss the point. How much someone earns has very little bearing on how much they are able to save. Someone earning £50,000 but living in Northumberland with no children is going to be able to put aside a lot more than someone on £150,000 living in London with four children. By introducing tapered tax relief from £130,000, you might be punishing the latter for his lifestyle choices, but you aren't doing much to prevent him becoming a burden on the state in his old age.

It would be far better, surely, to apply limits not to the amount a person earns but to the amount they actually put in a pension. How? By simply setting a limit on how much can be contributed in any one year. This isn't an entirely new idea. The industry – by which I mean independent financial advisers and pension fund managers – has already begun to lobby for it.

But when they do so, they also miss the point – suggesting, as they do, a pension contribution cap of about £50,000 a year. That's too high. Let's say you save £50,000 a year (after your tax relief has been added back in at whatever your marginal tax rate is) for 20 years and it grows at 3% a year. You'll end up with a pot of almost £1.4m. And the income from that? Stick with 3% and it is £42,000 – way more than the government needs it to be and way more than the taxpayer should have to subsidise.

So what's a more realistic annual limit? I'd say about £20,000. Twenty years of saving – again at 3% and you'd end up with a pot of about £550,000. Income from that at 3% is £16,500 – which is about right.

I've tried to make these numbers both very simple and very conservative. I've assumed no-one starts saving until they are 40. I've stuck with 3% as a reasonable long term total return. I've assumed no capital at all is spent in retirement. And I haven't included the complications of indexing the annual limit to inflation.

But, even so, you can see the advantages. It isn't going to affect very many people – 90% of pension funds have less than £50,000 in them. It will make the pension-saving system exceptionally simple and transparent. It will encourage people to save just enough to prevent them being a burden to the taxpayer but not subsidise them doing more than that. And, of course, it will save us money.

How much money? Hargreaves Lansdown says that putting in place a £50,000 limit – which is what it is lobbying for – will save us £3.6bn a year. That's about the same as Labour hoped to save by putting in place its ludicrously tortuous taper relief idea. So cutting it to £20,000 will save rather more. If I were George Osborne, I'd be putting this pretty near the top of my emergency budget list.

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  • 1. Vincent

    (15 June 2010, 11:35AM)  Complain about this comment

    I fully agree with this article. However, what about people who already due to have a final salary pension? I assume that if this pension is likely to be more than £15,000 per annum, they shouldn't get any further tax relief?

    Perhaps there should also be a lifetime limit on ISA's?

  • 2. bill holmes

    (15 June 2010, 11:41AM)  Complain about this comment

    Apart from the rights and wrongs of the state subsidising large pension pots, it is better to regard a pension purely as a safety net, and use ISA's or other tax efficient investments to make up the balance of retirement income.
    Annuity rates are abysmal and likely to get worse, and the only alternative after drawdown ceases at age 75 involves a ferocious tax charge of close on 80%.
    For a husband and wife, putting £20k into pensions and £20k into ISA's gives much more flexibility than putting, say, £50k into pensions. Although the pension payment is tax deductible ( for now ) this is more than outweighed by the loss of access to capital, annuity rates, and tax payable on pension income.
    The ability to mix pensions, ISA's and direct investment - for example zeros to utilise CGT allowances - also minimises the risk of changes in the rules derailing retirement

  • 3. Peter J

    (15 June 2010, 11:48AM)  Complain about this comment

    I agree. The limit of about £20,000 pa makes a lot of sense and would keep the principle of only being taxed once (which tapers etc distort).

    The only thing worth considering is whether to increase the limits in later years as it becomes easier to save when children have gone. Also, consider whether to allow limits to be carried forwards a year or two if not fully used.

    Alternaively, why not consider an ISA type alternative to pensions which taxed money goes in but grows tax free and can be taken out tax free. Maybe there could be an incentive of the government topping the contributions up by say 10%.

  • 4. alex

    (15 June 2010, 11:55AM)  Complain about this comment

    You've somehow managed to completely ignore inflation. Every politicians favourite stealth tax.

    Assuming 4% inflation over the next 35 years, £1.8m in todays money will be worth a rather more modest £456,000 in real terms generating a 'real' terms income of just £13,680 at a 3% return rate, BEFORE tax. At todays prices.

    Your £550,000 pot will be the equialent of £139,000 today generating an equivalent income of just £4100 a year before tax. Nothing like the £15,000 you estimate a retiree needs to live on.

    Frankly I'm glad you're not my IFA.







  • 5. Spud

    (15 June 2010, 12:17PM)  Complain about this comment

    Surely a lifetime limit is more appropriate?
    Otherwise how does the above suggestion take into account variable incomes, career breaks, sabaticals etc.

  • 6. christina

    (15 June 2010, 12:25PM)  Complain about this comment

    My son has just started working, having finished his degree, so we have been looking at the best way for him to save up for a pension.

    I read somewhere that if you pay a decent amount into your pot in your twenties you never need worry about having to pay much later on - let alone your suggested £50,000. We worked out a reasonable amount to save and then factored in 5% inflation over 30 years, (plan for the worst etc!). We came up with a figure of well over £1 million.

    If the government is going to look at this issue seriously it needs to think about a way of providing for a pension while someone is still in their twenties - so that there is no need for £50,000 complicated tax relief calculations later, nor a huge burden on the state in later years. A radical forward-thinking approach is what is necessary, not tinkering with ISAs, tax relief and accountants.

  • 7. spindrift

    (15 June 2010, 12:32PM)  Complain about this comment

    Why not stop the State Pension payout for all those on a retirement pension of over a certain figure (i.e. £70k pension pa)

    After all a number of these individuals will have come from the public sector and already have been subsidised by the taxpayer in the first place - so why are they allowed a 'double-dip' at the taxpayers expense?

  • 8. rob

    (15 June 2010, 12:47PM)  Complain about this comment

    Alex makes a good point.
    I suspect that 80% + of the poulation can only afford to put in a maximum of around £5000
    in the pot per annum, perhaps we should give tax relief upto that level at your basic rate and then a basic rate of 5% or 10% on everything else upto a maximum of £20000.
    If started early enough in your working life it would be enough to live on and save the tax payer billions.

  • 9. Merryn

    (15 June 2010, 12:57PM)  Complain about this comment

    Alex, I did ignore inflation but intentionally so as to make the whole calculation simple. If you actually took this on as policy you'd have to up the saving limit in line with RPI every year to make it work. It is also worth noting that I assumed that the capital would not be run down at all - that's pretty conservative. I've also gone for a long run return of 3% despite the general consensus that long run returns on equities are around 6%. These are rough and ready calculations but I think the point stands nicely.

  • 10. alex

    (15 June 2010, 01:14PM)  Complain about this comment

    If you inflate the £20,000 limit by 4% every year in 35 years time you end up with total pension contributions of almost exactly £1.6m, hardly any different at all to the current £1.8m limit.

    So what have you achieved?

    Apart perhaps from reinforcing the general perception that there's no point in saving/investing as the rules are always changing.

  • 11. Dave O'Carroll

    (15 June 2010, 01:21PM)  Complain about this comment

    I actually wrote to George Osborne recently suggesting pretty much the same thing Merryn, along with the abolition of tax relief on various other taxpayer funded anomolies like ISA's, charitable donations et al. No doubt some will cry foul (thought I'd throw in a topical joke) but if we are in fiscal straits, as I undoubtably believe we are, then lets start behaving as such and cut out the big gestures regardless of how bad it makes us look.

  • 12. Steve P

    (15 June 2010, 01:33PM)  Complain about this comment

    So, you agree with Gordons Brown's raid on pensions then? You don't think people who have struggled to raise families deserve a worry free retirement after working and paying taxes nearly all their lives?
    The state taxes us to the hilt, yet you want to us to lose most of one of the few tax advantaged investments we are allowed. What will you attack next, ISA's? And isn't it usually the well off / highly paid, who have quite a lot of savings / investments who suggest cutting a benefit they themselves are fortunate enough not to need? Don't you think that pensions have suffered enough at the hands of greedy politicians who are very well catered for themselves, courtesy of the taxpayer? And as the recession / depression will hit us pretty hard, don't you think that everyone should be encouraged to save every penny they can? As you point out, ad nauseam, Japan only just remains afloat because of private savings.

  • 13. alex

    (15 June 2010, 01:41PM)  Complain about this comment

    Indeed Steve, the parable of killing the Goose that laid the Golden egg comes to mind.

    Penalising the middle classes who pay the bulk of the tax in the UK will do hardly anything to stem a budget deficit caused by employing 750,000 odd extra public sector workers and entering a whole series of disastrously structures PFI deals.

    I'm starting to suspect that the MW office has been broken into and Merryn et al are tied up in the corner whilst Gordon Brown adopts her log in and merrily types away. With his ever more bizzare ramblings.

  • 14. Dave O'Carroll

    (15 June 2010, 01:41PM)  Complain about this comment

    Alex, if you inflate the current £1.8m limit by 4% every year for 35 years you end up with £7.1m, which up until very recently would have been a £2.84m burden on every other taxpayer in the land.

    I agree that a system based on shifting sands makes for difficult planning, but lets keep a perspective on this. We can see figures can easily be manipulated to prove a point, and by and large I've endured a lifetime of varying shades of red and blue coloured parties producing BS figures to justify their wastage.

  • 15. RK

    (15 June 2010, 01:41PM)  Complain about this comment

    Is saving into a pension not a good thing? I don't quite understand why it's a bad thing and should be limited.

    The pension companies are supposed to be the experts at investing the money?

    Seems a better way than having to struggle with wise-guy financial advisor's and investing oneself.

    It does of course rather rely on solid and trustworthy pension companies.

    Maybe that's the flaw?

  • 16. James

    (15 June 2010, 01:41PM)  Complain about this comment

    I'm with Alex on this one and it's just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. No matter what tax breaks are given by the state some will save enough for retirement but many will not.

    If the object of all this is to save government money then just abolish tax relief on pension savings and abolish tax on pension payments.

    What is the point of the state pension or ANY state or other benefit being taxed? One tax funded government department working out what to pay people and another tax funded government department working out what to take back. Stupid.

    Of course the elephant in the room is the cost of funding the public sector's final salary schemes. Urgh. The answer is simple - raise the retirement age to 75 pretty much immediately.

    It's going to come long before I retire so why now do it now with 5 years ot the next election?

  • 17. Dave W.

    (15 June 2010, 01:46PM)  Complain about this comment

    Pensions are deferred pay earned during working life. Tax relief on contributions is justified as pensions are taxed , possibly at a higher rate in the future. Tax relief enables rules for compulsory protection of the pension pot, essential as most would give priority to other things. Leeway is needed to allow for poor returns (as current retirees know). Other positives are that (a) pension savings fuel investment in industry; (b) pensioners with a disposable income are a buffer against recession in times of high unemployment; (c) a reduction in the welfare burden on the state (d) in hard economic times the working population needs more help to provide for its own old age, not less and (e) people who can afford to retire release jobs for the young. Enlightened pension policy has evolved over 400 years and reversal on short termism would be a social and economic disaster. The state pension is a shameful pittance. The UK is not generous to its aged compared to other developed countries.

  • 18. Rich

    (15 June 2010, 01:52PM)  Complain about this comment

    I could agree with the limit on pensions if it was traded off for getting rid of higher rate tax. Why does someone have to pay a higher rate of tax purely because they earn more?

  • 19. alex

    (15 June 2010, 02:05PM)  Complain about this comment

    Dave. I inflated Merryns proposed £20,000 limit by 4% per annum. I did not propose inflating the £1.8m limit. Which was exactly my point, there is no difference between a lieftime limit set at £1.8m and a £20,000 limit inflated at 4% over 35 years.

    It widely known as fiscal drag and is the way politicians have dragged so many people into the 40% bracket. They of course have no intention of raising the £1.8m limit in line with inflation which is why it is so much less generous than Merryn appears to think.

  • 20. James

    (15 June 2010, 02:07PM)  Complain about this comment

    Look - I am not against pensions just how the system is currently organised. This boils down to 4 things. 1. How do we encourage people to save enough for their pension so they are not a burden on the state? - answer make it compulsory through the tax system (er ... thats the state pension, why the need for NEST?) 2. How do we simplify provision so it's cost effective - er thats the state pension again with deduction from salary and not taxed on payment. 3. How do we not give too large tax breaks to those that dont need it - answer abolish them! 4. How do we guarantee returns? - ah, there's the flaw ... that means big brother in government would have to start investing our money for us .... hmmmm .... Gordon Brown selling gold at the low ..... hmm lets all move to France.

  • 21. Rob

    (15 June 2010, 02:18PM)  Complain about this comment

    Pensions are just part of retirement saving. They have a place, but are pretty inflexible (and the rules are excessively complex).

    But before capping private savers, I respectfully suggest that controlling excessive public pensions is a higher priority. All public workers should be put on defined contribution schemes just like most private sector workers.

    Then cap the contributions and solve two problems at once.


  • 22. rob

    (15 June 2010, 02:45PM)  Complain about this comment

    I will agree that some public sector pensions should be changed from final salary to defined cont schemes, BUT NOT THOSE OF THE ARMED FORCES.
    When you sign up to be available to die for your queen and country, you deserve to be very well looked after at the taxpayers expense. You dont get something for nothing, nor should you expect to.

  • 23. Mark Otto

    (15 June 2010, 03:08PM)  Complain about this comment

    You've also forgotten one of the side benefits of pensions: deferring tax if you earn high sums of money for a short period of time. The extreme example is someone could earn £0.5m per year for three years. They would pay near to 50% tax. Someone earning the same in real terms over a longer period would pay a lot less. If pensions allowed a discretionary amount of dipping into for emergencies they could be expanded to something people could use over their life and since the output could taxable (relating to age) it would be an incredible incentive to save. Consumers and borrowers have always been put first by governments and this could rebalance this dramatically.

  • 24. Mike

    (15 June 2010, 03:40PM)  Complain about this comment

    Agree with Dave W, why this desire to pay tax twice? If income is received and spent it is taxed (income) once, but if you decide to defer income you are taxed again!

    It all sounds simple on paper, save this lower tax exempt amount EVERY year until retirement, life unfortunately gets in the way! Many people spend years raising families and building businesses and have no disposable income with which to save. The current system allows flexibility and the opportunity to build funds when you can and if that means putting your retirement funds away with tax relief over 3-5 years when your business is doing particularly well it's no different to putting away a regular smaller sum for 30 - 40 years for those with regular income. The current higher annual allowance simply provides flexibility within lifetime limit. The Lifetime limit acts as a ceiling and discourages continued large contributions over a long period due to the 55% tax penalty on the funds above the limit.

  • 25. Tony

    (15 June 2010, 03:55PM)  Complain about this comment

    Interesting idea, the above article, I suppose by extension it follows that all publicly funded pensions from the prime minister downwards would be subjected to the same limits. How likely is that I wonder to myself.

  • 26. Sue

    (15 June 2010, 03:59PM)  Complain about this comment


    I have always advocated pension provision for the private sector in order to provide a reasonable standard of living in retirement. That is until the last few years. Why should someone who is diligent and goes without save when those who don't give a damn and spend on whatever takes their fancy end up receiving further living benefit allowances on top of their state pension. I don't like feeling this way but in our society today it seems to me that if you are financially prudent you are penalized and if you are financially reckless you are rewarded.

  • 27. alex

    (15 June 2010, 04:13PM)  Complain about this comment

    I do dislike intensely the attitude that if something is tax exempt or has a reduced rate of taxation we are somehow being 'subsidised' by the taxpayer ( Government ). I once spoke with a Treasury Manadarin who in all seriouness maintained that all post tax retained income was in effect fiscal leakage because by right all money belongs to the Government.

    Just think how lucky we all are to effectively have our daily lives subsidised by only paying 40% of our income in tax.

    To extend the logic.

    The Government could make huge savings by reducing this crazy income subsidy where the rich get to keep 50-60% of their earnings at the tax payers expense. A flat earnings allowance of say £20,000 should be sufficient to cover any one persons needs. The remainder could be used to reduce the deficit.

    Welcome to the 1970's comrades.

  • 28. Mark

    (15 June 2010, 04:49PM)  Complain about this comment

    The proposed 20k annual limit works perfectly if you have a steadily increasing salary (and job!) over 20+ years but what about those that have rather more varied working lives - earning more one year than others. If like me you haven't been able to save into a pension and are now in the position to do so, 20k annual limit is not really enough to make up for lost time. Much fairer is a combination of lower annual limit (50k rather than current 255k sounds enough) and lower life time allowance. The current 1.8 million lifetime allowance is rather high - maybe 400k lifetime would be better.

  • 29. Dave

    (15 June 2010, 05:08PM)  Complain about this comment

    Aren't you forgetting that the pension received will be taxable?
    The state pension, broadly speaking, equates to the annual tax alowance so anything received by way of an occupational pension is taxed at 20% (or is it 22%). In ther words, the tax man gets it back

  • 30. dogfm

    (15 June 2010, 06:42PM)  Complain about this comment

    As I will pay an unknown rate of tax on my pension & the annuity rates will be ??? in 16 years time when I will be state pension age contributing to a pension does not look a very enticing proposition.
    Anyone who thinks they are deferring tax by contributing now may well have a very rude awakening if they are set to retire in 15-20 years time.
    Will we still rely on oil? Will the price per litre still be £1.20? Who knows but unless contributing to a pension starts to look more beneficial I'll do something else.

  • 31. Dave W.

    (15 June 2010, 07:06PM)  Complain about this comment

    Criticism of final salary schemes is unjustified. The real problem with public sector schemes is that most are unfunded, an excuse for politicians to push costs forward onto someone else but the deceit eventually has to be paid for. Final salary schemes are a best practice to which everyone should aspire. Money purchase schemes are a lottery based on the state of the economy at the exact time of retirement and conceal internal costs. Final salary schemes have also been given a bad reputation by employers’ “contribution holidays”, reducing or ceasing payments in the good years leaving insufficient money in the bad years. Final salary schemes should be universally adopted as the most equitable method of pension provision. If the financing is wrong then ensure that the correct contributions are always paid and adjust the level of benefits but make sure that everyone knows the basis of funding, gross returns and administration costs. Don’t discredit a good system for the wrong reasons.

  • 32. Jeff

    (15 June 2010, 09:54PM)  Complain about this comment

    High taxation secures gold plated public sector pensions, whilst those of us in the private sector need to save vast sums of money to achieve the same benefits.

    We should be allowed to contribute to pensions tax free. It is our own money after all.

    The recommendations in the article above are so wrong.

  • 33. Alastair MacMillan

    (16 June 2010, 09:37AM)  Complain about this comment

    Merryn what are you on today, what a turnip of an idea ! ?This plan reduces the retirement of those who have to live off their pension to that of utilitarianism. It is worth remembering that pensions are taxed when they are paid out. Also we need to encourage capital building from the point of view of the economy. We are a grossly under capitalised nation. The areas of disparity that really has to be dealt with is the untaxed unfunded public sector pension pots as against the taxed private sector ones.

  • 34. Dave W.

    (16 June 2010, 10:19AM)  Complain about this comment

    Alastair,
    What makes you believe that public sector pensions are untaxed? As far as I am aware the tax system applies to all pensions equally (except possibly to some senior politicians). I agree that unfunded pensions are a root problem though, as highlighted in an FT article today. Previous governments decided not to fund those schemes and that is now discrediting the whole system. We have to be careful not to perpetuate the problem by denying future generations the means of accumulating a decent income in their old age. Proper pension planning requires a lifetime and governments rarely plan beyond the next election. Private pension providers must extract profit and small deductions grow to large ones over a working life. We need a solution that covers all, not just those wealthy enough and savvy enough to look after their own pension provision. Where will we find a pension provider who doesn’t seek to raid the pot for politics or profit and then point the blame elsewhere?

  • 35. Supermarine Blues

    (16 June 2010, 10:47AM)  Complain about this comment

    What a lot of tosh!

    It completely ignores that it is the state sector wantonly overpaying pensions (eg widows) or simply paying unrealistic figures which is bankrupting us all.

    The last thing the pensions industry needs is more Uncle Earnie-style fiddling around pointlessly with rates & limits.

    Merryn also ignores the expensive fund charges, made more extortionate by precisely the foregoing.

    Proposing a future cap on Gov't legislation would have been more worthwhile.

  • 36. Dave W.

    (16 June 2010, 11:14AM)  Complain about this comment

    The role of the accountants is being overlooked. A pension fund acts like a tank of water. Money drips out of the bottom to pay benefits and contributions and investment returns drip in at the top to maintain a reasonable level in the tank. Some years investment returns will be good and the level may rise and other years more will flow out in benefits and the level may fall; the tank provides a buffer adjusted over years. With the introduction of FRS17 the accountants insist that the tank always be kept full regardless, despite the fact that the illusory balance sheet deficits quoted dwarf the relatively small amounts being paid out in benefits in any one year. That negates the function of the fund to smooth out costs over employee’s full working life, the fund looks as though it is booming or breaking with every twist and turn of the economy. The accounting policies are therefore precipitating an enormous socio-economic pension catastrophe and must be reviewed.

  • 37. Dave

    (16 June 2010, 12:52PM)  Complain about this comment

    @31 Dave W - spot on; a final salary scheme per se is not a bad thing, it is the deferred funding of the public sector & state schemes that is the issue here - it's a gigantic PONZI SCHEME with massive liabilities.

    Some public sector employees do contribute to their pension provision; not sure where this money goes to, but it is no-where near representative of the the actually cost of the benefits purchased (Roz Altman quoted on R5 the other day examples of 6% contribution rate being paid v 40% required; remove the shock & awe factor from this, but you can see the disparity).

  • 38. Dave

    (16 June 2010, 12:53PM)  Complain about this comment

    Let's just skip to the end game - honouring the current unfunded promises of state and public sector deferred pay will bankrupt the country; options

    1) renege on historical promises entirely or partially
    2) honour historical promises and cut all future promises (probably still bankrupt the country)

    my hot tip is for:

    3) fill the liability gap short-term by appropriating a vast amount of real, existing investments - for example all those lovely SERPS rebates paid out to contracted-out individuals...

  • 39. Dave W.

    (16 June 2010, 02:12PM)  Complain about this comment

    A recent report stated that pension deficit funding went up to £11.1bn last year from £4.4bn the previous year. That increase was due to the fall in the stock market not to increased pension liabilities or excessive pensions. We know that there has since been a recovery and the likelihood is that the markets will go up and down for the indefinite future. My point was that no valuation of the pension fund will ever be a true statement of actual liabilities, it is simply a weather vane by which to adjust the contribution rate. Instead of crystallising the figure on the balance sheet today funding should be assessed over a period of 30 years or so, when the benefit payments will actually arise, and the funding rate adjusted every three years to smooth out peaks and troughs over long periods of time but accountants have even narrower horizons than politicians. Companies are restricted as to how they account for profits from forward contracts, why treat pension costs differently?

  • 40. Daytona

    (20 June 2010, 09:19AM)  Complain about this comment

    A thought provoking article, thanks Merryn

    In the spirit of this age of austerity, I've been playing with the numbers to see what would happen if tax relief were restricted to that which would provide for a subsistence level pension, and reckon there's a potential saving of 14Bn. I calculate that ~£12,500 gross is required, of which, ~£7,000 is provided by the state from age 60 in the form of Pension Credit. Using the most conservative inflation annuity rate of 3% for a female age 60 leads to a private pension fund value of ~£187,000 being required to make good the shortfall of £5,500. Providing tax relief only on the first £100pm contribution required to reach this sum over 44 years leads to a ~40% saving in tax relief, from about 24Bn to 10Bn.

    continued/..

  • 41. Daytona

    (20 June 2010, 09:19AM)  Complain about this comment

    ../continued

    The major issue with reducing retirement incomes to a subsistence level is the effect that it has on the wider economy - consumption making up something like 60-70% of GDP. But then again, perhaps existing pensioners are on average spending around susbsistence level, meaning the economy is already adjusted to their relative lack of spending. I wonder if there's any research on this issue.

  • 42. JV

    (21 June 2010, 10:23PM)  Complain about this comment

    I disagree with this proposal, in the light of my personal circumstances. Being a self-employed entrepreneur, my annual income is hightly variable, and so I need the flexibility to store up pension value in the good times, to make up for the bad times. Your thinking (as with the income tax system itself) is based on the concept of regular, steady income, but many people, like myself, do not have a level, rising salary, and for us an annually-assessed system with no ability to carry forward and back is unfair. Now I am struck with a serious illness, and find work difficult and hence my income has fallen. At least I was prudent and rewarded by the pension rules in the tax system to put aside money in pensions for these difficult times.

  • 43. Daytona

    (25 June 2010, 08:23AM)  Complain about this comment

    Fair point JV - I guess that I was trying to express the concept in terms that reflected the experience of the majority, but there's no reason why the working can't be changed. The fundamental issue is to apply a lifetime cap of ~£187,000 (gross, index linked) to the sum eligible for tax relief.

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