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Aug 22, 2012, 05:40
Posted byJohn C Burford
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In last Wednesday's post, I asked the question: Will the Dow break above my tramline and make a new yearly high?
Yesterday saw the rally extend, and the Dow did not quite make that new yearly high – but the S&P did!
This is interesting. If you recall from late April/early May, the Dow eked out a new yearly high – to complete a five-wave up sequence – while the S&P did not. I was then confident that the 1 May high was a major top in the Dow.
Since then, I have traded mainly from the short side – and taken good swing profits, as highlighted in my posts.
But yesterday, the boot was on the other foot. The S&P's new high was a few pips above its March high, while the Dow missed its new high by a handful of pips.
This may become significant in the bigger picture.
But first, let's take a look at the short-term chart:
(Click on the image above for a larger version)
On this hourly chart, there is a clear expanding wedge. This is a quite rare pattern, and has a different meaning from the usual converging type.
It is a reflection of the increasing polarisation in the market – the widening gap between the bulls and the bears, as illustrated by the AAII sentiment data I show in these emails. Incidentally, this week the data show little change from the previous week, as the retail investors buy into the rally.
We know the bulls (mainly the professionals) are expecting another barrage of money-printing in QE operations which they infer will prop up share prices.
However, the game is changing on this front. Because in the past month or so, T-bond yields have shot up from their extreme lows (I have covered this in my T-bond posts), they must be getting more attractive as an alternative to shares.
So the connection between QE and rising stocks may not be as secure.
The bears, on the other hand, see a weak economic recovery, floundering eurozone policy-makers, and high share valuations. Not to mention the 'D words' – debt and deflation.
So, out of this wedge – whose upper line was touched briefly yesterday at the 13,330 high – the market must resolve.
But which way?
I have been following the progress of the market along my long-term tramline, and yesterday, I had what I was hoping for – an overshoot above and then a quick retreat back down underneath:
Overshoots are usually a signal that the short-term trend has changed, especially after a trend has been going for some time, as this has. I have shown many examples in the past in various markets.
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Another feature of yesterday's trading is that it was a daily key reversal, which is a day in which a new high is made, and then the market sells off to close below the previous day's close.
Now, this is not a super-reliable indicator of a trend-change. But if by Friday the market can close below the previous week's close, then this weekly change would be a much more reliable trend-change signal.
The level to watch for is 13,100 – only 90 pips away as I write.
I was able to enter short-sale orders yesterday based on this 30-minute chart, which I took yesterday:
These tramlines are impressive, with fabulous prior pivot points (PPP) on the upper line.
The lower tramline break was my short entry, with protective stop just above the 13,330 high.
Now, if the market can break the 13,100 level this week, I may be looking to add to positions, since that would help confirm yesterday's high is the major top I have been waiting for – seemingly forever!
Here is the same chart updated to current market:
My lower tramline gratifyingly passes through the previous significant low (red arrow), giving me added confidence in them.
Currently, the market is pausing in the downtrend – and right at a significant tramline.
Exercise: Can you work out where this significant tramline comes from? It is related to the existing lines.
So, I have a nice trade on my hands and I will be moving my protective stop to break-even for a no-risk trade. Any rallies should be kept under the 13,250 area (the 50% retrace of the move down). That should be a great place to add to my positions.
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(23 August 2012, 12:12AM) Complain about this comment
John, a few months ago you called the top of the market with big dip due any moment. The Dow has gained circa 800+ points since. Every time I glance at these pages you claim to have placed more winning trades. I cannot see how anybody who shorts a market which has gained 800 points can be a winner in more than 25% of bets placed. You also seem to have won on all of your EUR/USD shorts having got out at exactly the right moment everytime. The reality of these markets for spread betters is that you stay in too long and never realise maximum gains as one holds out for bigger payouts and you get out too early when the market blips against you. These markets are a dream for spread bet companies as both long and short betters lose - with the market moving in in W's and M's betters can only really win if they hold long term positions. I could say that I analysed the football on Saturday and bet Swansea to thrash QPR, but unfortunately I didn't!
(23 August 2012, 07:58AM) Complain about this comment
RPB, I totally agree with you. John's trades always seem amazing! Of course he never tells us til after the event.I've just commented on his gold analysis in a similar vein on "The big question for gold traders". Dunno how he's gonna spin that chart as still being in a downtrend after the last 24 hours..........The only time I've EVER placed a trade on an actual recommendation (extremely rare as they are!) from John the trade moved in the opposite direction from his analysis BIG TIME. He wasn't even close to being right.
(23 August 2012, 12:38PM) Complain about this comment
Beasties and RPB - There have been some very handsome short trade opportunities from the Dow in the last few months. I have taken in excess of 500 pips to date and am now sitting on the sidelines waiting for the Big 3 down. There has been a lot of confusion lately about the Dow and I have stayed out these last few weeks. John acknowledged this sentiment in one of his recent e-mails. As for Gold, just because it moves off in the opposite direction is not an indication that John was wrong. A part of trading is having the patience to wait and allow the patterns to develop and the confidence to believe in your analysis, whether that takes 24 hours or 2 months. Hopefully both of you will return to the site the next time with more positive and polite comments.Great article again John, thanks. Hopefully this time we are at the top of the Big 3 down.
(23 August 2012, 01:52PM) Complain about this comment
in my view fair play to john-he has a well tested and thought out strategy-and coming from a technical background(aviation) I appreciate and enjoy his approach-doesn't always work but I have been following for quite some time and to my interpretation of his commentary, he's more right than wrong- placing trams, taking profit, going to break even are judgement calls granted but I'm a fan-stay tunedgood luck out there
(23 August 2012, 02:39PM) Complain about this comment
I'm also very happy with John's calls. I've learned a lot from the last 6 months of following moneyweek trader and i'm in no doubt as to how well the tramlines work. And in fact John always admits when he's got it wrong.John thanks for another great article. I wonder if the top really is in. I'm feeling the best i've felt about trading in a long while and ready to learn more. I hope to get along to your workshop in October to get your help first hand. Is it in London? Keep up the good work. Joe
(23 August 2012, 02:47PM) Complain about this comment
The Big 3 down - what is that? Is that like an orgasm for Elliot Wave people? Why can't you just say that you think the market has topped and that it is going to crash?
(23 August 2012, 03:20PM) Complain about this comment
#5 JoeRe John's MoneyWeek Trader Workshop. The exact venue and timings are being finalised - if you are receiving regular MoneyWeek Trader emails, you'll be sent details very soon. What I can tell you is that there are strictly limited places available, so you'll need to move quickly to reserve one. Keep an eye out for more from John soon.For new readers: To receive John's regular free MoneyWeek Trader emails and details of his Workshop, use the 'sign up here' field just above the comments section on this page to add your name to the list.Frank Hemsley - MoneyWeek
(23 August 2012, 04:24PM) Complain about this comment
John, the trend is your friend! I don't see why the market should top out until we start ECB QE bond purchases. The market has been looking for this as a solution (erroneously) to the Eurozone debt crisis for years and I believe it could be a classic case of "buy on the rumour, sell on the news". Once it actually starts, the market may finally come to the realization that you can't borrow your way out of a debt crisis and we could see the major slump that many of your MoneyWeek colleagues have been predicting.
(23 August 2012, 07:46PM) Complain about this comment
Hi Bob, I can't say that I think the market has topped and is about to crash because like everyone else I am unsure. Only definite confirmation of this will entice me to take a position and risk my hard earned dosh. For all I know The Dow may continue its climb (but it is looking less and less likely) I referred to it as the Big 3 because Waves 3's generally are explosive and take no prisoners! A traders dream or even Elliot orgasm if you can get in on it!!
(23 August 2012, 11:40PM) Complain about this comment
@rp Birmingham You mention "glancing" at the emails and that might be the problem. I've found over time JB does a good deal of accurate forecasting unlike many so-called experts who end up saying the markets could go either way... and whether the top is in or not as yet on the DOw, I've banked 200 pips on the Dow using JBs methods in the last 2 days, so am happy with the overall value of John's methods - for which he offers no guarantees to be 100% relaible all of the time.
(24 August 2012, 10:11AM) Complain about this comment
#10 LTI'm the same. I've been able to regularly pick winning trades, not by following John's emails to the letter (as he is always telling us these are not recommendations) but by learning how to do it for myself. Often an email John writes will describe a set-up and I'll go and work on the trams and Elliot waves and fibs myself. Then I'll enter a trade if I think it stacks up. One of the most eye-opening things John has said is his money-management. I now never feel uncomfortable with any position as I know that my max loss is manageable. John, if you could cover this area again sometime soon, I think it will be useful for readers.Anyway, thanks John - and I look forward to your next email.
(24 August 2012, 11:12AM) Complain about this comment
Thanks susan - so when I see people talk about the 'big 3 wave' they are referring to a massive sudden downward, waterfall like, correction in the markets. Thanks for explaining that. Let's hope it comes sooner than later because the rise of these markets since 'Juneish' have been ridiculous.
(24 August 2012, 11:40AM) Complain about this comment
Hi Bob, John covers an intro and advanced tutorials on Elliot Waves. Elliotwave.com is worth a look at too. Waves 1,3 & 5 in theory follow the trend and waves 2&4 are the corrections. In theory, Wave 3 is the longest and strongest. Its not easy, but if you can gain a basic grasp of it like me, it becomes another tool for using in your analysis.
(24 August 2012, 12:44PM) Complain about this comment
@Jack I agree Jack, if you put the work in and get used to using the trams fibs and ews it pays off. Classic a-b-c correction on Dow yesterday for example meant I had a way to add to my position. Wouldn't have had a clue before... @susanCompletely agree Susan - EWI is very good although you could get lost down a rabbit hole in there - but I try - and need - to keep it simple and it really helps. Would anyone who is interested in jBs methods be interested in sharing ideas about current set ups on an fB page ? Would be great to discuss set ups as they happen rather than in here which is more sporadic. Not sure How John or money week would feel about it but I think it could be productive as long as you have already proven to yourself that the methods are useful... Any thoughts?
(24 August 2012, 01:19PM) Complain about this comment
Another quick question John. I'm interested in developing my understanding of elliot waves and fibonacci - sounds like other readers are finding it useful (Susan especially). Will you be covering these in your workshop? Or will that just be advanced training on the tramlines?I got your email this morning about the workshop - thanks. Look forward to it. By the way - hope to hear your latest thoughts on gold after the rally this week! Thanks, Joe.
(24 August 2012, 02:59PM) Complain about this comment
Joe, yes John will teach all three as part of the full-day workshop. Look out for details in MoneyWeek Trader next week.Frank Hemsley - MoneyWeek
(25 August 2012, 09:46PM) Complain about this comment
I wish i knew about your emails two years ago, I am so sad to have wasted two years, I am at last joined your subscriptions, Because i Am learning how to trade using Elliott wave abd fibernacci and tram line . I wish you would high light more elliott wave counts in your diagrams . I am at present only interested in Forex . I wish to thank you for spending your time in showing (Educating) other people how to analyse the market correctly. Also i would like to know if you are going to do any of your seminars in UK, If not it would be great if you could mange to do a webinar show real time market analysis.
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