Could Britain leave Europe before Greece?

By Matthew Partridge Aug 13, 2012

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We’ve heard a lot (some would say too much) about a 'Grexit' – the threat of Greece leaving the eurozone. There is even an outside chance, although it has fallen in recent months, that one or more of the other heavily indebted eurozone countries might join them.

We’ve also heard a bit about how some countries in northern Europe have pondered whether to leave the eurozone themselves, to avoid having to pay to prop up the debtor nations. Earlier this year, one of Holland’s major political parties even paid for a report on whether the Netherlands should bring back the guilder.

However, Nomura analyst Alastair Newton thinks there’s another country that might exit. In this case it would leave the European Union outright, and it could have a far greater impact on British investors than any other ‘exit’ scenarios.

The country? The United Kingdom. Here’s how Newton reckons a 'Brixit' could take place.

Britain is moving in the opposite direction to Europe

In general, British people are not that keen on the idea of being part of Europe. Regardless of your own political views, this isn’t a contentious point: Newton points out that The Economist thinks that nearly nine out of ten people are “unhappy with the current arrangements”.

Indeed, polls suggest that a large proportion of the public wants the UK to quit the EU right now. Others want a looser relationship based on 'free trade' and little else (subscribers can read more on how this might work in the recent briefing I wrote: Should Britain leave the EU?)

But Europe is moving in the opposite direction. As Newton points out, most euro leaders now think the only way to keep the single currency intact is to push through further fiscal and political union. This would mean much greater central direction over all aspects of policy.

The trouble is, even though Britain isn’t part of the euro, it would have to take part in this process. In effect, the UK would either have to integrate further or quit. And given the current mood, it might be the latter.

Newton has identified three areas that could act as flashpoints for a 'Brixit'.

Flashpoint 1: Bank transaction tax

Several countries are pushing for a Europe-wide bank tax. One plan proposed would involve charges on the purchase of bonds, shares and derivatives. While it’s unclear just how much support the plan has, France and Germany are pushing for it hard and claim that up to ten nations back it. France also brought in its own tax at the start of this month, which is widely seen as a pilot for the idea.

Most experts feel that if Britain took part, or UK deals were affected, London’s status as a financial centre would be hit by such a tax. The major banks would move abroad to avoid having to pay, taking jobs and tax money with them. While the early proposals involve relatively low rates of tax, there are fears that Britain would be powerless to prevent them being hiked in the future. There are also fears over the precedent set by giving the EU a direct source of funds.


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Flashpoint 2: Bank regulation

In June, European leaders agreed to set up a single body to deal with euro area banks. The idea is that this would ensure uniform standards. It would also be much harder for banks to argue for special treatment. While the UK was happy with this idea, some in Brussels now want the body to have powers to wind up non-euro area banks as well.

Like the idea for a transaction tax, there are fears that this could lead to decisions that are not in Britain’s interests. Another risk is that if Brussels can decide to close down British banks, it could also charge the costs of any bail-out to the UK taxpayer. At worst, the UK could end up being drawn into paying to support Europe’s banks.

Flashpoint 3: Non-eurozone discrimination

A third concern is that the EU could try to make it harder for banks in countries outside the eurozone to clear deals that are priced in euros. If this took place, it would rob London of a large chunk of business. The only way to avoid this loss would be for the UK to join the euro. Newton argues that this is already taking place. He thinks that more action “cannot be ruled out on the road to banking/fiscal union”.

How likely is Britain to leave the EU?

A 'Brixit' still seems less likely than a 'Grexit'. After all, the euro could still break up – the idea of it expanding even further seems far-fetched for now. And unless the European Central Bank actually acts to help out Spain and Italy, the whole region could be facing a break-up rather than just the odd country leaving.

Also, the EU may allow the UK to stay out of any new regulations, allowing a 'two-speed' Europe to develop. However, Howard Davies, former head of the Financial Services Authority (FSA), thinks this will be “hard to pull off”. He agrees with Newton that this “could lead to Britain’s withdrawal… The political stakes are high, and the outcome is likely to reflect that”.

What would the consequences be?

Some argue that an increase in trade with the US, Asia and other parts of the world would make up for lost any trade with the rest of the EU. Our size, and the fact that we run a deficit with the other 26 member states, may mean that they would be forced to cut a deal with us on good terms.

However, we’re not so sure. This analysis may be correct in the long-run. But if the UK were to leave, the remaining countries would not be in a great mood. Indeed, they might want to limit access to their markets to discourage others from doing the same. EU regulators would be especially hard on the City of London. And in the short run, there would be a huge amount of disruption as firms had to rearrange their supply chains and find new customers. We’re not saying it would be a mistake to leave the EU. However, don’t bet on it being an easy transition.

In short, a 'Brixit' is just yet another pin that could burst the London bubble. It’s worth keeping in mind as a potential threat – and it’s yet another good reason to keep avoiding the banking sector.

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  • 1. jimtaylor

    (13 August 2012, 05:21PM)  Complain about this comment

    Avoid the banking sector - absolutely.

    Don't buy banks until Europe is fixed,

    and

    Don't buy Europe until the banks are fixed.

  • 2. Aff

    (13 August 2012, 10:10PM)  Complain about this comment

    Take any spare savings you've got and buy physical gold and silver if you haven't already.

  • 3. David Edenden

    (14 August 2012, 12:58AM)  Complain about this comment

    Rule Britannia Alternative:

    Federation - England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland (United), USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Caribbean

    Discuss!

  • 4. ron

    (14 August 2012, 11:19AM)  Complain about this comment

    A good read. I have been buying silver and soon some gold i think also i agree with the 9 out of 10 people not wanting to be in the EU i was against it from the start and i feel like only the gov want to be part of it if we leave i will be very happy

  • 5. Bob

    (14 August 2012, 11:26AM)  Complain about this comment

    It won't happen for this simple reason - the Liberals are pro Europe.

    If there was even a concerted attempt by the Tories to move the UK towards leaving it would scupper the Coalition and force a UK election which both Liberals and Tories would lose. It would also play into the hands of Alex Salmond's SNP.

  • 6. r

    (14 August 2012, 11:29AM)  Complain about this comment

    [I]" . . . polls suggest that a large proportion of the public wants the UK to quit the EU right now. Others want a looser relationship based on 'free trade'. . ."[/I]

    If this is the case, why aren't our politicians (current and previous) listening to us? I have said many times that the UK problems are not going to be "fixed" until we have government that is responsive to the will of the people. For too many years, we have had government ministers of all colours getting rich in Europe after leaving office and I think that this has become a personal target for many of them.

    The UK is a rich set of countries and we are capable of doing deals with the rest of the world; as the net balance of trade with Europe is in their favour, I think they will want to retain their export markets if we left. We managed quite well when de Gaulle was in power and prevented us joining and we can do it again.

  • 7. Coastwatcher

    (14 August 2012, 11:38AM)  Complain about this comment

    The idea that non-EU markets would say "We didn't want your low-tech products when you were in the EU but now we'll pile in to buy" does not sound quite right.
    Britain would be regarded in the same light as the badminton teams in the Olympics who would not play by the rules and were banished. Who wants to associate with a bunch of losers?
    The real difference between Britain and Europe is between making added value products and simply shuffling and laundering money.
    The financial services industry with its powerful lobbies, having starved manufacturing to death and taken Britain to the edge, is now poised to drag the country to lonely isolation.
    How sad that from being the heroes of Europe after WW2, we are now regarded as wingeing misfits determined to foul up everyone else's plans for the sake of a declining financial industry.

  • 8. HL

    (14 August 2012, 11:45AM)  Complain about this comment

    David Edenden asks for a discussion on a possible federation of English speaking countries as an alternative to EU membership.

    Such a debate would be short if left to ordinary voters but we will never be consulted.

    Why not ? Because the entire European "project" would be rejected overwhelmingly in a nano-second. Where would the power brokers, the gravy train passengers, the budget fiddlers and the Euro strutters be then ?

    No, they will all band together to stop a Brixit at any cost -- and then send us the bill for it.

  • 9. Ed Dixon

    (14 August 2012, 11:48AM)  Complain about this comment

    There seems to be little doubt that the British public would rather have less ties with Europe than more. The first time the man in the street starts to feel that governance is coming from Europe rather than Westminster will be a big flashpoint.

    There's also little doubt that the major players in Europe would cling to the ideals of the Euro at the expense of all else. In about ten years I expect to see a Eurozone of France, Germany and one or two others with the rest of the continent in ruins listening to a non-stop spout of socialist drivel blaming everyone else coming from Brussels.

  • 10. ron

    (14 August 2012, 12:05PM)  Complain about this comment

    I agree HL if we look back we know that the gov are aware of how the population feel. when they did not give us the referendum we was promised, that made it clear that they were acting in there own interest and not in the interest of the population, they need something to happen to remind them that the role of a public servant is to serve the people not do what ever you want and then think its ok if i make a mistake i will just make the people pay for it.

  • 11. Ravenscroft

    (14 August 2012, 12:07PM)  Complain about this comment

    So, if we leave the eurozone the French won't sell us their wine, and the Germans won't sell us their cars?

  • 12. Dodger

    (14 August 2012, 12:10PM)  Complain about this comment

    I would be surprised if we ever left Europe in the near future, as there is too much vested interest within our present government. Yes, we might lose out on some aspects, but it would not be the political and economic disaster that some would make us believe. If we were able to have a strong government and a leader to match, get our infrastructure sorted out, reduce taxes across business, which in turn would benefit the economy, this would create a thriving environment with more younger people in work and eventually this would feed through so that we would all benefit and prosper. Casting aside personal views, we really need another Margaret Thatcher, a visionary, who could drive this plan forward. I hope I live to see it happen.

  • 13. I. Allan

    (14 August 2012, 12:41PM)  Complain about this comment

    Oh come on Ed Dixon, try to stop preaching as if you can talk for the British Public. Many of us know the Brits are ruled by the Americans and not the Europeans. Stop blaming the socialists and the Europeans for what is a Wall Street contolled government which has created this Capitalist systemic crisis, driven by greed, unscupulous Politicians and academics. Ask the Icelandic folk if they feel Europe is the problem. Icelandic banks deregulated in 2003, by 2008 the country is 17 times GDP in debt. Go figure. We won't leave Europe for the simple reason that there are too many big contacts that the Politicians can hand out their sponsors.

  • 14. LabourbankruptedtheUK

    (14 August 2012, 12:47PM)  Complain about this comment

    I certainly hope Britain leaves the EC, and soon. However, Britain needs to shape up, we need more manufacturing, the sector that Thatcher destroyed. Engineering has not recovered from the damage that woman did, plus of course the problems we now have from lack of literacy and numeracy,stemming from the lack of discipline in the schools which has lead to an output of folks who cannot spell, cannot communicate, and who cannot even add up. The country has slipped below the level of other developed countries such as Germany. Britain should leave the EC, which would give us back the 117.5 BILLION EUROS that we pay into its coffers every year. With that sort of money we can really go places and pour money into our industry and education. Britain would again be great. Time for Britain to leave the EC, no doubt about it.

  • 15. M

    (14 August 2012, 01:11PM)  Complain about this comment

    @David Edenden
    What about also free trade with the many other Commonwealth and English-speaking countries?

  • 16. Lotus 7

    (14 August 2012, 01:38PM)  Complain about this comment

    Bob said:

    " If there was even a concerted attempt by the Tories to move the UK towards leaving it would scupper the Coalition and force a UK election which both Liberals and Tories would lose. !

    All Cameron has to do to win the next election is say "Vote me into power & I'll guarantee you a referendum on the EU & a new UK Bill of Rights so we can withdraw from the EU court of human rights & kick out all the terrorists & failed asylum seekers.

    Think he wouldn't do it, wait until the polls show he falling behind in the run up to the next election.

  • 17. Clive

    (14 August 2012, 02:05PM)  Complain about this comment

    Lotus 7 " ....... & I'll guarantee you a referendum on the EU ......"
    would that be another 'cast-iron guarantee' ?

  • 18. pitbull in purple

    (14 August 2012, 02:06PM)  Complain about this comment

    If Cameron's supporters started defecting to UKIP in droves because of his failure to listen, not just to voters but his own party and MPs .... watch the little creep change his tune.

  • 19. pitbull in purple

    (14 August 2012, 02:08PM)  Complain about this comment

    If Cameron sees his support draining to UKIP due to his failure to listen, not just to voters but his own grassroots and MPs watch him change his tune.

  • 20. LERENARD

    (14 August 2012, 02:36PM)  Complain about this comment

    The Europeans will pile debt upon debt to keep the Euro going for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many. Sooner or later, there will be a popular rebellion against the EU diktat and creeping totalitarianism. The Eurozone will inevitably crumble under the burden of debt, dishonesty, inefficiency, incompetence and outright rejection. An early exit for the UK would be the best policy.

  • 21. Clarinetplayer

    (14 August 2012, 04:48PM)  Complain about this comment

    From the other side of the ocean, I found this to be an insightful and thought-provoking piece. Whether the U.K. exits "Europe" or stays in and is forced to accept the kind of legislation that Matthew describes, the implications would seem to be very serious. In contrast, I found many of the comments from other readers to be childish and silly - not what I expect from Moneyweek readers.

  • 22. Alec

    (14 August 2012, 05:35PM)  Complain about this comment

    The European gravy-train loves spending other people's money. When are they going to sign off their annual accounts like any other business?

  • 23. terry

    (14 August 2012, 05:53PM)  Complain about this comment

    Yes,why don't we take our large trade deficit elsewhere.We must be able to find someone else to sell us stuff.

  • 24. David Stuart

    (14 August 2012, 08:35PM)  Complain about this comment

    The sooner we leave the EU (which as far as I'm concerned stands for "Evil Union"!) the better. The money alone that we save would make a real difference to our current predicament!

  • 25. Karim

    (14 August 2012, 10:51PM)  Complain about this comment

    "we really need another Margaret Thatcher, a visionary, who could drive this plan forward"

    Agreed, Dodger. Enter... Nigel Farage. The only man in politics consistently telling the truth, and with any common sense (something that's all too uncommon these days!). He seems genuinely keen to put Britain's interests first, and he will make a truly great Prime Minister.

  • 26. Mark LV

    (15 August 2012, 12:18AM)  Complain about this comment

    "Rule Britannia Alternative:

    Federation - England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland (United), USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Caribbean

    Discuss!"

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Total lunacy. The Caribbean - are you barmy? And why the USA? What makes you think they would act in our interests? Any union involving the USA would inevitably lead to that country dictating to the others.

  • 27. Ian

    (15 August 2012, 01:18PM)  Complain about this comment

    Not only politicians but our entire civil service is in thrall to the EU. Think how many are engaged in administrating and gold-plating the incessant stream of EU regulations, passing them down the line to other ministries, quangos and to local authorities to administer. We could probably sack another half-million penpushers and jobsworths. The reason we no longer have weekly dustbin collections is largely down to the EU, not to mention all the health and safety stuff, risk assessments etc. The public do not realise how much unnecessary legislation comes from Brussels. And then there's Human Rights keeping terrorists and criminals safely in UK.

  • 28. Jeremy R

    (15 August 2012, 02:04PM)  Complain about this comment

    Ravenscroft - you ask the wrong question. Of course they will sell us French wine and German cars. That matters little, and I wouldn't care if you were unable to buy the car or wine of your choice. What matters is whether they let the UK sell our Whisky and our cars in the r-E -, and this is important - WITHOUT having to meet differing technical standards or paying additional tax (that is what the Single Market guarantees), and whether multi-national companies will still invest here by building big factories to serve the EU market, whether we will still have a right to go and live, work aand set up business across the EU, whether there is a complete and guaranteed right to move capital across to and from the r-EU (I am old enough to remember when the UK government thought it had the right to stop UK nationals from buying foreign currency without Bank of England permission (it only ended in 1979))

  • 29. Le Brit

    (16 August 2012, 11:21AM)  Complain about this comment

    The EEC, EC and EU ( notice how the title has changed over the years to reflect closer intergration) is a pipedream created by politicians who think they know what is best for their citizens even though the citizens don't want it.
    How much credibility do you give an organisation that hasn't passed its audit for the last 15 years? If it was a private company it would be struck off the Companies Register, but it just carries on and increases its tax take from the citizens who don't want it, spending it on projects they have no say in. Evetually it will run out of spending other people's money when citizens wake up and realise the pipedream is a mechanism to keep the Euro gravy train going for the Euro elite at the expense of the average citizen.
    Come on France show the way, start the revolution bring out the giloutine for the fat cat Europhiles, off with their heads!!!

  • 30. mic

    (16 August 2012, 05:59PM)  Complain about this comment

    No one , but no one is going to leave the EU or the EZ-
    the EU is a powerful trdaing block- think USA- if we leave we will be like Cuba off the USA or the Island of Sark of the coast of GB
    Like it or lump it - the EU will get bigger & stronger- as was planned70 odd years ago....It will be one area in evry respect- as was planned 70 yrs ago...
    think - where is the highest Uk court......................
    A
    it's in the EU-
    and who makes the decisions-- made by a majorityof ..???
    A
    .other europeans!!
    for the record-i don't like it!!

  • 31. Writeangle

    (17 August 2012, 10:46AM)  Complain about this comment

    I don't think it matters in the slightest what the public want as politicians are in love with the EU. The EU is a democracy-free zone. Hence there will never be a referendum simply because it will not give the correct answer so the vote would have to be retaken again and again until we get the right answer.

    We have so much in common absolutely monstrous debts (UK is second largest in world) terrible ageing demographics and a strong anti business anticompetitive leftish culture. We are made for each other.


  • 32. Lupulco

    (18 August 2012, 03:49PM)  Complain about this comment

    1] The Kingdoms of England, combine and become one Country
    2] The United Kingdoms of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland become one.

    This is repeated within Europe and the rest of the world.

    Then we form the EU, and Russian Federation Trade Block
    The North American Trade Block
    The South American Trade Block
    The China and East Asia Trade Block
    Middle East and North Africa Trade Block.

    India and the Aus/NZ uncertain were they fit in. Ditto Pakistan and Iran.

    Sub-Sahara Africa wakes up & realises it hold a lot of minerals that the rest of the World wants and forms the Sub-Sahara African Trade Block.

    All they need is a Leader, for this to happen, but the NATO took care of him. So this is now on hold.

    But eventually we shall have six trade blocks, followed by political blocks. Followed by either; World Union or a war to end all wars be it trade or hot, between these blocks.

    Trade and Money does not discriminate between, Race, Gender or Religion.

  • 33. Mike

    (03 September 2012, 03:31AM)  Complain about this comment

    The UK will leave simply because it is up to its neck in dept. The only way we are managing this recession is the printing of electronic money and as long as we can continue to service our dept then we might just get out of this mess ok. But, the moment we are unable to service our dept then we will loss our AAA status and we will find ourselves sinking as fast as countries like Spain and Italy. I suspect the next round of QE will push us over that edge, so we can hardly support other countries that don’t want to help themselves. In other words the UK will leave Europe because we can’t afford to stay.

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