The recession is over – but for how long?

By Dominic Frisby Jan 27, 2010

Dominic Frisby

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Queues at a Job Centre © Bloomberg

We've not seen the end of long dole queues

The good news yesterday was, of course, that we are no longer in recession, according to figures from the Office of National Statistics.

The bad news is that growth in the fourth quarter, at just 0.1%, was so paltry and came so late (the US, France and Germany all came out of recession last summer) that really we have very little to celebrate.

More importantly, the question on everyone's lips now is: "Is that really the end of the recession or is there more to come?"

This is hardly a 'feel-good' recovery

I like radio phone-in shows. They give you a feel for public sentiment. I was listening to a lot of them yesterday, both on BBC Radio 5 and BBC London. The end of the recession was of course the big topic. There seemed to be an endless stream of calls from people who had lost their jobs last year and were now finding it very hard to land another one. The recession isn't over for them.

The general feeling was one of belt-tightening – which is no bad thing – and of people cutting costs where they can, paying down debt and so on. But many are desperately struggling to make ends meet, even in this low-rate environment. It still amazes me how much debt people manage to get themselves into.

So it's hardly a 'feel-good' recovery. And what's truly astonishing is the lengths to which the government has had to go to achieve even this pitiful growth. Among other things, VAT was cut; interest rates were slashed to their lowest levels in history; an unprecedented car scrappage scheme was introduced; and quantitative easing to the tune of £200bn was pumped into the system.

Here's why things are going to get a lot worse

I can't help but think that things are going to get a lot worse. In many cases, the general moaning about tough times is going to turn to anger and tears. I don't see this recession as over. In fact, a great many previously postponed problems are now looming. What is going to get us out of all this?

Thanks, in part, to our weakening currency, inflation has proved higher than anticipated – up from 1.9% in November to 2.9% in December. At the moment it's not a vast problem, but it could quickly become one. If sterling weakens further – as I believe it will – then rates may well have to rise. The effects of rising interest rates, be it on our housing market or our other debt costs, do not bear thinking about.

Sterling has been falling against the euro since early 2007. It has been below €1.30 since early 2008. So manufacturing has already been enjoying the benefits of a weaker currency against our main trading partner, the eurozone, for a considerable period of time. Yet it shows no significant signs of leading us out of recession.

I'm not sure how great a benefit the 2.5% cut in VAT brought to our economy. But any benefit it did bring is now over, as VAT has returned to 17.5%. The car scrappage scheme is scheduled to end in February. It's not altogether clear of how much benefit the £200bn quantitative easing programme was either. But again, with inflation a concern, it will be hard for the Bank of England to justify printing much more money, so any benefit it did bring will soon be reversed.

Government-spending was another of the main drivers of growth in the fourth quarter. But that can't continue either. Both sides of the Commons have effectively admitted that prudence must return and spending be reined in. Moreover, the unemployment numbers do not look good at all (What's good about the employment data?) – and they'd look a lot worse if they weren't so skewed (but that's an argument for another day).


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What about the City? It was the main driver of the boom years. Can it come back to lead the economy again? I doubt it. Regulation – or lack of it – has been blamed for the financial crisis. If the radio phone-ins I listened to are anything to go by, this explanation is widely accepted. (I happen to think the opposite – that many of today's problems lie in interventionism – but again, that's for another day).

In any case, politicians are threatening tighter regulation of the banking sector and the public seem to be clamouring for it. But be careful what you wish for. Look at what Barack Obama's threats did to the stock markets last week. They lost about 5% in three days. At one stage it felt like autumn 2008 all over again.

Now there's no doubt that the banking system needs reform. And it's interesting that Obama won Mervyn King's support for putting 'radical reform' of the banking system on the international agenda. Perhaps we do need a return of some sort of Glass-Steagall Act, which will separate investment from commercial banking. Or perhaps we need to reform the monetary system altogether. But while that could be good in the long term, the impact of tighter regulation and reform could be devastating to stock markets - which already appear to be rolling over.

The least we can expect is a double-dip

In short, I can't see a route out of all this without taking more pain first. Looking at the following chart which shows GDP growth since 1955, you can see that growth during recessionary periods frequently rebounds, only to decline again (look at the spikes and slumps in the mid-1970s and early 1980s).

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Given the magnitude of this recession, and its underlying and still unsolved problems, I think the least we can expect is a double-dip.

What effect can one man have on a stock market?

Finally, as a sidenote, I'd like to show you the effect that one man can have on the entire market – particularly when investors have the jitters. Robert Prechter is an American author and stock market analyst, who uses 'Elliot Waves' – wave patterns in stock charts – to make financial forecasts. Notoriously bearish, he has made some great stock market calls – including the crash of 2008 and the 2009 rebound – as well as some woeful ones, (particularly his bearish calls on gold). He has turned very bearish on the markets (as have I by the way) and advised his clients two weeks ago to go 200% short. Yesterday he appeared on CNBC at 3pm expounding his bearish outlook. Look at what happened to the S&P500 next:

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It may just be coincidence of course...

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Comments (24)

Comments

  • 1. Bob Roberts

    (27 January 2010, 10:48AM)  Complain about this comment

    Dominic, I enjoyed reading this but early on I wondered when the "buy gold" plug was going to come.... the article progressed and there was no mention... but, always, in the background there was that sneaking feeling and, well, you did not disappoint. Got it in at the end!

    Yes, I agree with you and think that worse is yet to come - a double dip may be the least of our worries. The politicians are devoid of talent, imagination and skill in getting the UK economy back on track - the plan appears to have simply been to bung 200 billion at the banks and hope they would sort things out.

    If Labour had done to Banking what it has done to Information Technology jobs, to Engineering, etc, then there would be no banks left - we need a major change of direction.

  • 2. SC

    (27 January 2010, 10:49AM)  Complain about this comment

    Dominic
    Mr Pretcher is still ultra bearish on gold so......... 'watch out below'?????

  • 3. Gregor, Edinburgh

    (27 January 2010, 11:15AM)  Complain about this comment

    Dominic, you must be fed up being Mr Gold. You can only blame yourself, though.

    I bought your Gold Report and also bought into your 'golden future" generally....remember your pre-New Year prediction that Gold would go to $1400 by the Spring ? Only to be followed by your subsequent, unapologetic, bearish turn around...only in turn to be followed by.... NOTHING AT ALL on the subject...

    Problem with a record like this is that I'm not now inclined to listen to your view on where the general economy, or anything else, is heading.

    Disappointimg.

  • 4. Roger Maynard, Eye, Suffolk

    (27 January 2010, 11:38AM)  Complain about this comment

    I agree that further pain will come.

    Those of us with savings did not notice much pain last March because interest rates did not fall until late 2008. This March, any savings will have been at very low rates and this will hit my spending power next year and I am sure there are many people in the same position. Yet I have not heard this discussed in the media yet.

  • 5. John Stirling

    (27 January 2010, 11:46AM)  Complain about this comment

    Hi Dominic

    I agree with your comments, this recession is far from over and there are tough(er) times still ahead. My portfolio is now largely a composite of defensive investments with a few speculative punts here and there. Having managed a large health care company through the recession of 1989 onwards, as well as growing the business succesfully in the process, I am glad I am retired and not in that position any longer. This time round things are more insidious with many issues still not being addressed.

    Regards
    John

  • 6. Ed

    (27 January 2010, 11:51AM)  Complain about this comment

    You talk about the impact of higher interest rates, but with high street savings rates of up to 3% and SVR's on mortgages heading towards 5%, does the base rate actually mean anything these days?

  • 7. Alex

    (27 January 2010, 11:52AM)  Complain about this comment

    So Gordon Brown gets his pre-election "the recesion has ended" speech and BBC coverage. It's easy to imagine a late night phone call from No10 to some poor statistician "just to check that GDP will be positive won't it". Personally I very much doubt that outside of Labour HQ and the BBC many people will believe for 1 minute that anything has changed. And it being belief ( or at least confidence ) that drives the spending decisions of the nation I think wallets will remain tightly closed for the forseeable future. I'd certainly steer clear of any stocks related to discretionary spending such as Next and M&S both riding high after the recent bounce.

  • 8. Louise Arnold

    (27 January 2010, 12:03PM)  Complain about this comment

    I agree with this article - more pain ahead. The Bank of England will be forced to raised interest rates this year and yes it will affect 50% of borrowers who are their lenders SVR and not to mention those on trackers - many of these people cannot remortgage to get a better rate due to unemployment, falling houses prices and tougher criteria for lending. They will be repossessed and house prices will fall further. Any gains made in the last 8 years will be wiped out and most people have spent the equity! I for one am selling my house now and will sit back and watch this pitiful decline in our nations wealth.

  • 9. Cole Branel

    (27 January 2010, 12:04PM)  Complain about this comment

    With scaremongering like this, it is easy to understand why suicide cases are on the up! You talk of the Government being void of imagination to pull the country out of financial gloom, so where are your bright ideas Dominic?

    Why not put your thought process to giving positives instead of continuing to inform us all of more impending misery.

  • 10. Ant

    (27 January 2010, 12:09PM)  Complain about this comment

    Yes I agree there is more (probably much more of the recession to come and yes I agree the base cause of the problem is interventionism. These micro management and controls do no good, even then they failed to spot or stop the crash. The market will regulate itself if left to itself. Would those bankers have been so lax if they thought it would have cost them their job, and their company? NO

  • 11. NVP

    (27 January 2010, 12:11PM)  Complain about this comment

    Yep in major agreement......the other issue will now be the mood of the british public as if we are now in positive territory (albeit just) then people will look to be expecting their own situation to get better faster than when we were in the red.......and we all know that is not going to happen so the natives will be restless as the election approaches.....

    NVP

  • 12. Louise

    (27 January 2010, 12:12PM)  Complain about this comment

    You are missing the point - the big problem is debt - both private and public - we have for the last 10 years all borrowed far too much money and now we are going to pay and pay for a very long time. This will take between 5-10 years to get out of. There is no point telling people everything is ok and keep spending when it quite clearly isn't. Ostrich and sand come to mind.

  • 13. Bob Roberts

    (27 January 2010, 12:29PM)  Complain about this comment

    Roger Maynard, Eye, Suffolk -

    I have a gut feeling that millions of savers are going to be the grouping that delivers a knock-out blow to this Government come the election.

    This group has no voice, is not represented in the media - in fact, judging from the BBC there are no savers and only house buyers - and seemingly does not exist. But they exist in their millions and are angry about their savings being destroyed by a mixture of inflation and deliberately kept-low interest rates.

    There are more savers than people with mortgages in the UK apparently.

  • 14. Bob

    (27 January 2010, 12:32PM)  Complain about this comment

    So what should I do with my gold and gold miners? If this scenario plays out will we have a major sell off like last time?!?

  • 15. Fred

    (27 January 2010, 01:30PM)  Complain about this comment

    Thanks, Dominic, for another splendid insight. You are one of my favourite sources, although I am still sitting on the fence where gold is concerned. Will you please ensure that your piece about 'How one man can affect the market' is brought to the notice of Bob Prechter at Elliott Wave International.

  • 16. Peter Rogers

    (27 January 2010, 02:21PM)  Complain about this comment

    Firstly i'd just like to point out that Gold is insurance against hyperinflation, not a speculatve punt.
    Secondly, is anyone suprised that Labour's 200 Billion QE didn't produce a lot of growth, i always thought that program was just in place to buy goverment debt in aid of sustaining the largest budget defecit in history.
    The VAT cut was widely derided but was actually a good idea, shame they couldnt expand on that great idea this year with another 2.5% cut to bring it down to 12.5%
    Here's my sugestions for recovery initiatives:
    i) North sea oil exloration credit program as per Norway
    ii) Fawlklands islands oil exploration credit program
    iii) Overhaul benefits system and reduce tax rates for all
    iv) Create a tax free haven for manufacturers of green technology, i.e. solar, wind wave etc, but only if all manufacture is in the UK, not just an assembly plant.

  • 17. Gold Rush

    (27 January 2010, 03:03PM)  Complain about this comment

    If i didn't know any better i'd say Dominic bases many of his socio-economic comments on a sub-terranian tapping into the Pritcher and Elliott Wave doctrine.

    Like Dominic i can also see its limitations and have seen them get it wrong. That's because despite wave patterns repeating it's hard to predict change which always comes from left-field.

    Dominics prediction of a $1,300 Oz sometime in Spring looks way off target which is a bit of a a bugger because i was a true believer. Looks like Gold will trade sideways (maybe volatile up and down) for 6-9 months as it tends to coming off a high. So maybe we see $1,300 by year end!

    We could be in line for a major re-trenechment on the stock markets as the liquidity tide of easy (funny) money gets withdrawn by central banks. Ax fir double-dip that's assured. Set your watch on Govts debt hitting the fan. Think how much banks and companies like GE or British Aerospace are into Govts for for their income streams.

  • 18. Timbo

    (28 January 2010, 01:46AM)  Complain about this comment

    I finally had enough this morning and cashed in my entire portfolio plus my SIPP, and I don't mind saying I was close to tears when I saw how much I've lost in the past 2 weeks. With the news from China plus the Obama speech on banks, it has proven just how fragile the market is, and gives the highly leveraged short sellers plenty of ammo for dragging it all back into the dirt again. The private investor doesn't stand a chance against the big players unless he gets in right at the bottom - last years rally may have good for some but the majority of us have gotten barely nothing from it.
    If this 'boom and bust' style of investing continues we'll end up like Japan where everybody saves because no-one wants to risk getting burnt again by dipping a toe back into the water.

  • 19. Alex

    (28 January 2010, 08:53AM)  Complain about this comment

    Timbo, investing, especially in a vehicle like a SIPP is a long term process, you should be thinking over decades, not even individual years, let alone months and weeks.

    If you try to time the market you'll generally be dissapointed. The best strategy is to invest a regular sum each month over the years, because no one can reliably time the market, even back in March at the low point alot of people, myself included could see many reasons for it to head lower.

    In many ways you can't beat a selection of good dividend paying stocks like RSA ( £ ), RWE ( Euro ), Altria ( $), sit back reinvest the 7% yields and let compunding do it's magic.

    'Get Rich Slow' is a long boring process, but it's better than 'Get Rich Quick ' investing that often turns out to be 'Get Poor Quick'.

  • 20. Neil

    (28 January 2010, 10:36AM)  Complain about this comment

    On the Prechter market calls, I note the mention of the gold bearish call and was wondering if this was an historical call, or current.

    If historical, an update of the Prechter position would be useful; if current, a distinction between his philosophy and MoneyWeek's conclusion would be welcome.

  • 21. Terry

    (28 January 2010, 11:58AM)  Complain about this comment

    Hi Dom,
    You have got it wrong re Bob P and his "Pretcher Point."
    We've not yet reached that stage, as there are still many Bulls about.
    The Point is around half way through the main impulse wave when the Bulls turn to Bears and the stocks fall off a cliff. It is a key point in a wave cycle that has been running for 200 years. That point is due, probably, in the latter half of the year. Gold and Silver are in a similar boat.
    Bob P predicts a deflationary period that will bring down the markets and the metals and where, once again, cash is king. I would not argue with that.

  • 22. PJM

    (28 January 2010, 08:48PM)  Complain about this comment

    Good on you Alex......the only sound bit of advice that I can see. Yes, investing is for the long haul and its no wonder things are as they are with all the doom and gloom merchants around. All think they have the answer...well I can recall very few recommending stocks when they hit the lows last March. There are plenty now who can tell why the rally happened (with the benefit of hindsight). For anyone with a 10 year perspective there are great opportunities now...so chin up and I'm off to the Pub to debate matters with the real experts.

  • 23. Timbo

    (29 January 2010, 02:13AM)  Complain about this comment

    Hi Alex,

    You're definitely right on that score, so I've decided to re-align my portfolio towards a lower risk strategy at least until we all know which way the market is going (if that's at all possible!).

    I think the best short term solution is to join PJM down the pub!

  • 24. Gold Rush

    (29 January 2010, 03:51AM)  Complain about this comment

    PJM

    Long term investing is dead. Period.

    Consider recessions, nae depressions, create 60% of the businesses that populate the 40yrs in between them. So over the next few years over half of the landscape will have changed.

    XBox wiped PS3 off the top game spot but held its crown for barely a year before Nintendo who looked washed up in 3rd spot blitzed both of them.

    Change happens faster than ever now and nobody is safe. You sit back and wait for your shares to come in 10yrs down the track and i'll bet the Co will no longer exist!

    Don't invest in stocks, rent them

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