A bail-out will be just the start of Europe's problems

By MoneyWeek Editor John Stepek Feb 11, 2010

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Markets have cheered up a bit. Investors seem to have decided that Greece isn't such a problem after all. Not now that good old Germany's going to bail everybody out.

Of course, we don't know that yet. The EU summit is today. But at least they're taking it seriously, seems to be the view.

The reality is that the best thing the EU could do for both the euro and for Greece is to tell the country to sort out its own problems. But that's not very likely now. The mere act of introducing the potential for a bail-out has changed things. Now Greece's continued solvency is probably dependent on a bail-out of some sort. If the answer today is "no", Greek bonds will tank.

But even if the answer is "yes", the eurozone's problems aren't solved. In fact, in the long run, they'll only get worse...

Could Britain be dragged in to bail out Greece?

The fascinating thing about the Greek situation is that it puts the politicians involved in such a difficult position. Usually the outcome of any dilemma involving politicians is easy to predict. Find the path of least resistance and most short-term gain – that's the outcome to bet on.

But there is no easy path here. Each individual country's politicians have different goals. The Germans would rather not bail anyone out, because their taxpayers realise they're the ones who'll be carrying the can. But other indebted countries such as Portugal might rather like the idea of Greece creating a generalised bail-out template, as it could take some pressure off them.

And we're not even beginning to discuss the notion that countries outside the eurozone might be involved. For example, there's no guarantee that Britain won't be dragged into this bail-out. It seems insane, given our own levels of debt, but according to The Telegraph, Gordon Brown's been unable to rule out the risk that we'll end up shelling out for this. And when you realise that Britain provides 20% of the EU budget, you start to see why.

But on balance, faced with the prospect of a "Lehman Brothers with sovereign debt"-type situation blazing across Europe, the politicians are likely to cobble something together. Trouble is, even if a bail-out is arranged, this won't be the end of it.

Why a bail-out won't be the end of Europe's problems

As Laurence Copeland of Cardiff University Business School puts it on Reuters, you might be able to bail out Greece. But "the difficulty is that Italy, the euro zone's third-largest economic power, has a debt-to-GDP ratio similar to Greece's." And Belgium has similar problems. "So there could be a queue forming at the EU's fiscal soup kitchen." Indeed, Riccardo Marzi has already noted in the Events Trader newsletter that he reckons Italy is the real weak link in the eurozone.


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And the ones doling out the goodies at that soup kitchen surely won't be too happy about it, says Copeland. "As voters in surplus countries realise they face years of paying taxes to support their less responsible euro brethren, I expect them to react in either or both of two ways: with new political movements which may well turn ugly, and with increasing demands on their politicians for more spending. After all, if they can't beat 'em, they may as well join 'em... The medium-term outcome will be a flood of euros as member governments' debts are monetised, with obvious consequences for the currency."

You can read his whole piece here. But it's clear that whatever the outcome of today's talks, things are going to stay messy for Europe. We'll have more on the outcome as news comes through, although the chances of a clear solution being reached today may be slim.

This is not just a European crisis - stick with gold

What about the rest of the world? Well, as Niall Ferguson points out in the Financial Times, this isn't just a European crisis. "What we in the western world are about to learn is that there is no such thing as a Keynesian free lunch... Explosions of public debt incur bills that fall due much sooner than we expect."

Debts look unsustainable everywhere from the UK to the US. Yet politicians in each of these countries seem to be taking the view that spending can continue now, with austerity waiting until "after the crisis is dealt with". The trouble is, as Japan shows, you can spend an awful lot of public money and still end up stuck in a 20-year recession.

In short, this is a very good reason to be sticking with gold. As my colleague Dominic Frisby pointed out yesterday, gold is currently rising and falling with global stock markets. But as investors gradually realise that no major currency is going to avoid being printed into oblivion, the idea of buying a form of money that can't be easily manipulated by governments will become more and more appealing.

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  • 1. lucido

    (11 February 2010, 11:49AM)  Complain about this comment

    What about silver as an alternative to gold?

  • 2. .EE.

    (11 February 2010, 01:16PM)  Complain about this comment

    Just imagine case in which Germany leave the Eurozone.
    It would be disaster for Euro. Then just lame countries would be caver the Euro!

  • 3. Factman 1 of 2

    (11 February 2010, 02:45PM)  Complain about this comment

    When the shorts manipulating gold and silver run off (the prices have been manipulated down for decades see www.gata.org) both will fly. Silver is handy for the corner shop items :o).

    Nobody seems to question why Pres Bush in his final days overturned 100yrs+ constitution by :-
    1) Giving the president SOLE power to inroduce martial law.
    2)Tag on - the US military can now be used to quell public dissorder (US troops against US citezens - how the hell did he get that through).

    Look it up.

    1 of 2

  • 4. Factman 2 of 2

    (11 February 2010, 02:48PM)  Complain about this comment

    If you think governments tell us the truth - why do they keep meeting all over the world about CARBON TAX. The icecaps of Mars have been melting for 5yrs (No planes, cars, power stations, cows passing wind there - oh thats right it must be the sun getting hotter as it does; and has in the past)

    Look it up.

    So why all get together & con us, to pay carbon .......TAX.
    Maybe big money behind the derivative trade big US banks can corner the market in tradeable carbon credits too, like they did with oil last year.

    Couldn't happen, pure fiction ! = it would be like the few making a lot from packaging sub prime mortgages, then betting against them, making even more money, and also crashing world econonmies and markets without Governments even pointing a finger. As I say the stuff of fiction again.

    Spread it far and wide.

  • 5. M Aspden

    (11 February 2010, 03:13PM)  Complain about this comment

    Should Germany buy out Greece’s debt, surely it would be conditional on their putting into place a management consortium, to make efficiency savings and thus earn a healthy return on their investment. The new management would be under no obligation to the Greek people, only their shareholders,so could make the tough decisions necessary to turn the country around.
    Having no powers of authority, the Greek government would be a puppet government which they would need to maintain as a matter of form. Let us call it the Vichy Government as the precedent has been set in other countries.
    Did you say Belgium next? And how is Poland getting on?

  • 6. AndrewC

    (11 February 2010, 04:20PM)  Complain about this comment

    Belgium perhaps but they are someway down the line behind Portugal, Spain,Ireland and even the UK. Not sure why you mention Poland that has a debt to GDP ratio of around 50% and is one of the few EU economies that is not in recession and actually growing.

  • 7. Gergiev

    (11 February 2010, 07:26PM)  Complain about this comment

    Concise and well argued as usual John. I know Ireland is a small country, but it is one that nearly stalled the Lisbon project and did the EU a massive favour by voting again until the 'right' answer came out. Now it has applied a severe austerity package to the same voters rather than go cap in hand to the Germans. I wonder how that electorate will feel once Greece, and maybe Portugal, Spain and Italy get great swathes of EU cash to cushion the blow of their profligacy and corruption?

  • 8. JAW

    (11 February 2010, 08:18PM)  Complain about this comment

    Journalism, including economics journalism, relies on the enhancement, exaggeration, and even invention of facts to attract an audience to itself. A normal recession amounts to 3 to 4% reduction in GDP which is not very much considering a previous increase of 20 to 30% in GDP over the last decade. In this deeper recession average Western GDP decline is about 6%, nothing serious. Recessions are chiefly psychological and tend to disproportionately reduce asset prices, which really doesn't affect many people because you still have your asset (house, business, shares, art, etc) and can enjoy it, but merely can't sell it at the old inflated price and have to wait a few years. Big deal. Why Governments ineffectually rush to prop up their economies, nearly bankrupting their national populations, is a mysterious farce. It is unnecessary, stupid and futile. They do it for psychological reasons.... it looks good to be seen doing something rather than the nothing they should be doing.

  • 9. JAW

    (11 February 2010, 08:38PM)  Complain about this comment

    John Stepek says:

    " Debts look unsustainable everywhere from the UK to the US. Yet politicians in each of these countries seem to be taking the view that spending can continue ".

    Almost every Western country is planning to borrow heavily for the next 5 or more years, collectively amounting to $4 to 6 Trillions according to which economist you believe. On a world scale there probably isn't that amount of spare investment money available. But spending can go on as long as you find some fool to lend to you, or you electronically create your own spending money. You go on lending to a bankrupt for as long as you fail to realize you will never get your money back. And in the US economists are now admitting that the national debt will never be paid off. It is for ever.

  • 10. Think

    (11 February 2010, 09:21PM)  Complain about this comment

    You all forget America does not want a weak Euro as everyone would prefer to buy German quality cars , tyres and Kitchen equipment etc than American.

    A weak Euro means no one buys Chinese, Indian and American - they buy quality European. Why was Germany consistently the biggest exporter in the world till China last year). How can Europe now we regarded as finished and heading down the road of no return ... Algarve, Italian Riviera , Italian fashions, cars, foods, Greek Isles etc - nothing can replace these - weak Euro means tourists flock there not America and China - they go to quality...

    The financial reporters are all over doing this like they do best - airing their ignorance as nothing now is different to what it was a few months back when they were all punting the Euro, and when the Euro rallys back they will find another currency to trash and make headline reading !

    Quality will always trump Trash and this is why Europe will survive !



  • 11. CrisisMaven

    (11 February 2010, 09:37PM)  Complain about this comment

    No, this isn't just a European crisis - it's truly global. And the EU as a whole is already -taken together and on average- technically insolvent as stated above with Belgium and Italy (and Latvia, and Ireland, and Britain, and ...) - the inevitable end will be sovereign default.

  • 12. LERENARD

    (15 February 2010, 01:57PM)  Complain about this comment


    Bailing out other countries will be completely unacceptable to the electorates involved as governments will soon realize when they look at the opinion polls. Who wants to reward fiscal irresponsiblity ? However, the right things were said to the markets to keep them guessing and maintain the level of the euro. Urgent reform is required to the political and financial systems in Europe if we are to avoid future problems. The germans learnt the hard way from Weimar and their input in reforming the euro will be vital. We must change our ways.

  • 13. Mike

    (18 February 2010, 03:50PM)  Complain about this comment

    Silver is more volatile than Gold...perfect for when Hyper-Inflation starts and Gold spikes!

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