The UK stock market is getting riskier by the day

By Investment Director – The Fleet Street Letter David Stevenson Oct 08, 2010

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Yesterday brought a fair splattering of UK financial headlines. And there was very little good news to speak of.

The Halifax told us that British house prices are tumbling. The Bank of England did nothing on the interest rate front, despite all the talk of further quantitative easing. And Marks & Sparks warned about trading conditions. The only glimmer of cheer came from UK industry, but even there the current positive mood may not last much longer. Small wonder the pound dipped further against the euro.

Yet UK shares are still within spitting distance of their highest level since June 2008. Despite yesterday's small decline, the stock market appears to see few risks right now.

So what's going on?

Yesterday was a bad day for property bulls

The Halifax housing market index was a shocker. Prices fell by 3.6% in September from August - the worst monthly reading on record. That took the year-on-year rate of house price inflation to -0.7%. It's the first time this has been negative since October 2009.

Also, the IMF warned that UK house prices could "correct" further. I'll not say too much else about this here, as this week's issue of MoneyWeek magazine includes our latest property roundtable. Our experts give their latest views and five-year forecasts, and we've put in some new charts too. So don't miss it - subscribers can read the story here: What next for property prices? (If you're not already a subscriber, get your first three copies free here.)

All things considered, yesterday was a bad day for property bulls. As Merryn Somerset Webb says in her latest blog, Even ultra-low rates can't prop up house prices for ever.

And if property values tumble again - well, we learnt from last time what can happen next. Many loans made by the banks could go sour. In turn, that could mean more write-offs and less lending. In short, another vicious circle could start - which would hurt bank shares for starters.

It wouldn't be great for consumption either. Falling house prices make consumers feel poorer and more cautious about splashing out. So yesterday's warning from Marks & Spencer that trading conditions are likely to get tougher should come as no surprise.

Consumers are right to be cautious - everyone knows that government cutbacks are coming even if the coalition hasn't given us chapter and verse yet. But lower state spending - and the inevitable job losses - are hardly ideal for rising UK share prices.

So the outlook is poor for banking and retail - but what about manufacturing? After all, British industry provided one of the few good news stories yesterday. A 0.3% rise in manufacturing output lifted its annual growth rate to 6%. Not a bad recovery from recession, you'd think. The problem is that these good tidings are unlikely to last too long.

"Demand in key export markets like the eurozone remains weak and exporters' order books have been deteriorating", points out Jonathan Loynes at Capital Economics. "The coming UK fiscal squeeze is likely to hit domestic demand for manufacturers' products. Forward looking industrial indicators have already weakened markedly over the last few months, pointing to a fairly sharp production growth slowdown ahead".

In other words, we can't expect much more growth from many of our manufacturers - or their share prices - in the near future.


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What's holding the market up?

So what exactly is holding this market up? Because investors certainly don't seem to be fazed by all the pain in the 'real' economy. Apart from a brief dip yesterday, the FTSE 100 index has marched upward since early July. It's now within a smidgeon of its recent April peak, which was the highest point since June 2008.

In a nutshell, with the UK's economic outlook heading for the doldrums, it looks like almost all the bulls' hopes are resting on the Bank of England and how much new money it will print via quantitative easing (QE).

Sure, the Bank sat on its hands yesterday. The bank rate remained at a 0.5% record low, and it decided not to add any more QE to the £200bn already churned out. But bullish investors clearly believe that it's only a matter of time.

This group - heavily populated by City share salesmen - reckons if the Bank creates enough cash, eventually this must force up prices somewhere. Much of the last batch of cash ended up in the financial markets - pushing up share and bond prices - so these cheerleaders for more money printing want to see history repeat itself.

But here's the rub: this might not do the trick in the way its cheerleaders hope.

Beware market bulls

Yes, bond prices would probably get a short-term fillip if the Bank of England buys gilts. That would drive down yields. But equities could be a different matter. QE has so far failed to make much impact on real business activity as bankers have run scared from lending. And if property prices start plunging again, giving lending departments even more jitters, that could seriously hurt our economy, regardless of QE.

"We think there's a point at which investors' faith will start to waver if a second round of QE fails to make any difference to the economy", says John Higgins at Capital Economics. "At that point, domestic equity prices could be vulnerable to a significant pullback". In other words, any more QE could actually do a lot of damage to confidence, and thus to the stock market.

Some say that because gilt yields are now so low (ten-year gilts currently yield around 3%), investors must switch to shares to get better returns. If they're talking high-yield defensive stocks, which we like, we'd agree.

But other than that - well, just take a look at this chart. It shows what happened the last time that ten-year gilts yielded about 3% around end-2008. The FTSE 100 tanked - because investors panicked that company profits were about to be crushed by the recession.

What's the chance of history repeating itself here? The risks for the UK stock market are rising the higher it goes. It's time to be very wary of market bulls.

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  • 1. PJ

    (08 October 2010, 11:12AM)  Complain about this comment

    A well balanced article that points to the underlying issue with QE - it will never work medium term

    Any new money in the "system" is useless unless it gets to people who WANT it and will USE it to drive wealth creation, rather than short term asset price inflation. There are few takers right now

    It does not address the key issue of debt burden and confidence, and wastes more money we cannot afford. The correction is a process which should take years to unfold, so any short term uptick in asset prices will ultimately give way to the deflation which indicators are now confirming

    No amount of money printing will make it go away until "new money" volumes overtake the collapse in credit. Given the sheer value of credit and bad debt still to be wiped out of the system, that time is still a long way off

    Lets get real and stop believing Central Banks can avert the inevtiable - they largely created this mess, and need to stop making it worse

  • 2. W.Steen Anderson

    (08 October 2010, 11:22AM)  Complain about this comment

    A good article and in line with the realistic constant stand taken by Moneyweek Editorials down the years. Well done. There is not nearly enough about the "broken link". We know that MV=PT generally works given assumptions. But please do an article on how the usual money transmission mechanism has broken down so QE is not the panacea its supposed to be. A good basic analysis would be very welcome. It (QE) did not work in Japan so why do so many "knowledgeable" economists cling to it so closely?

  • 3. P

    (08 October 2010, 12:17PM)  Complain about this comment

    I think a better explanation for the disconnect between the UK economony and the FTSE 100 is that fewer than 30% of FTSE 100 companies (by market capitalisation) actually rely on the UK for their profits. It's an index dominated by miners and energy companies, so I wouldn't expect the UK economy to have too much of a bearing on their prospects. As long as there is growth elsewhere in the world economy where these companies can make money, expect the FTSE to do well.

  • 4. ricardo

    (08 October 2010, 12:20PM)  Complain about this comment

    What's holding the market up ?

    ...I think you answered your own question...


    "Some say that because gilt yields are now so low (ten-year gilts currently yield around 3%), investors must switch to shares to get better returns. If they're talking high-yield defensive stocks, which we like, we'd agree."

    ...except you forgot to add that they're just about the only thing worth owning right now (along with a little gold).

  • 5. w2w

    (08 October 2010, 12:22PM)  Complain about this comment

    Very nice to see the two very clear and thoughtful comments above. The problem is not that banks don't want to lend, the problem is the lack of potential borrowers. The psycology is now changing from borrow and spend to saving and paying down debt. The CB's are pushing on a string and QE just makes matters worse. Any idiot can see that you can't borrow your way out of debt. UK house prices are likely just starting a very big fall over the next few years. The UK economy will not grow for the next decade, as deflation and debt paydown/default shrink the money supply/velocity.

    All of these problems could be solved. There would still be some pain as asset prices return to sustainable levels. The solution is to get rid of the current system of private banks creating money from nothing and charging interest on it.

  • 6. CLD

    (08 October 2010, 12:26PM)  Complain about this comment

    My economic barometer is the village pub/restaurant. It gets busy around the month end when folk are paid. Friday and Saturday nights are usually busy. The last couple of Fridays have been dire. When I dropped by last Firday the normally buzzing bar was down to 4 people. It was much the same the week before. This tells me people are becoming cautious. Wait till interest rates go up as they surely must!

  • 7. Bob

    (08 October 2010, 12:30PM)  Complain about this comment

    They seem intent on keeping IRs low for a decade.

    It would be a shock if they went up in 5 years let alone 1.

    There would have to be a huge shock such as a run on the currency to force them to up IRs... and they seem to want the weakest currency anyhow.

  • 8. w2w

    (08 October 2010, 12:35PM)  Complain about this comment

    "Money" is required as a medium of exchange to allow an economy to function. New money should be created as a result of, and to allow, economic growth. The Government on behalf of the people should create "our" currency. The Gov. shouldn't be allowed to borrow but should only spend what is raised in taxes.

    The whole debt based money system is rotten, with banks/bankers stealing our wealth. They even have the nerve to "target" inflation; inflation is not good for "us", but it is good for them as a means of confiscating our wealth.

  • 9. David

    (08 October 2010, 12:41PM)  Complain about this comment

    Where are all the bulls telling you how you're causing the market to fall with your negative talk?!?

  • 10. w2w

    (08 October 2010, 12:42PM)  Complain about this comment

    Until people wake up to this we will continue the boom and bust cycle, as they become richer and we become poorer. We have allowed them to make us slaves. We borrow "money" that doesn't exist until we sign it into existance. We then pay the banks, on a typicla mortage, 3 times the amount over a 25 year period. At which point the debt disappears and the banks have stolen our labour. Without this theft we would be able to build up savings allowing us a well funded retirement.

    The stock market is rigged and the Ftse100 will fall below 2000 by 2016, when the rich will buy in again.

    Interest rates are not set by the BoE or the FED, they are set by the Bond market and the CB's follow. Do you think the Greek or the Irish Governments want to pay 6%+ ? When the market decides rates for UK debt should rise then they will. Lawson couldn't stop rates hitting 15% and the UK being forced out of the ERM, so why think they can stop rates rising now?

  • 11. Bear Baiter

    (08 October 2010, 12:46PM)  Complain about this comment

    Thanks Money Week, yet again you force me to question the wisdom of my short positions.
    You have for some time refrained from publishing uber bearish articles, which for me was the signal to short. Can I now expect to sit on losses for a few months longer.
    FT100 @ 3600 "Don't buy shares yet they have further to fall" I'm sure they have, I'm sure Merryn will be proven right, but my got the timing leaves a lot to be desired.
    So please Money Week become a screaming bull, I need my money back!

  • 12. smlaing

    (08 October 2010, 12:50PM)  Complain about this comment

    I expect atleast 30% of the affluent middle class wealth to have been transferred to bank debt over the next 15 year.....The thought of being 30% poorer in 15 years time is frightening. I monitor my annual balance sheet. Oh dear!

  • 13. Pearl Caster

    (08 October 2010, 12:51PM)  Complain about this comment

    The graph shows share prices tanking mid March to mid April 2008 ahead of Gilt Yields falling to ca 3%, contrary to your statement in the preceding paragraph. Such sloppiness is all too prevalent in news-sheets. How do you boys get away with it?

  • 14. Dyll Davies

    (08 October 2010, 01:18PM)  Complain about this comment

    'P' and 'Ricardo's' comments are both valid. Once again Moneyweek takes a position (relentlessly bearish) and sticks to it despite the significant evidence to the contrary! My stock market porfolio has performed well in the last two years despite your constant warning of a catastrophic collapse in share prices. Whether you like it or not as a means to a successful end, QE was and is always likely to inflate asset prices. As a result I have more than doubled my money since the 'crash' of 2008. If had eto Moneyweek (apart from investing in a few high yield defensives - an obvious strategy in uncertain times with interest rates at close to 0%!) I would be still sitting on the sidelines carping about how silly the FTSE is as an indicator of underlying economic strength. We all know that but good investors see the opportunties nevertheless!

  • 15. Jinda

    (08 October 2010, 01:26PM)  Complain about this comment

    @w2w

    "Any idiot can see that you can't borrow your way out of debt." True, but a lot of idiots haven't taken the next logical step and worked out that this is not what central banks/governments are trying to do.

    Banks don't create money out of thin air and charge interest on it. If they did, they'd not be able to make a loss. They account for transactions where one party promises to pay over time with interest and another party accepts the terms, and they take a cut of the interest payments. They convert many such promises into a usable form of money.

  • 16. w2w

    (08 October 2010, 01:50PM)  Complain about this comment

    Jinda,

    Banks do create money from nothing and lend it out at interest. That is how our money supply grows. They take a loss when they can't clear the debt on their books because it has been defaulted on and the collateral no longer covers the debt. It's called a fiat money system. They do not take a "cut" of the interest, they take it all.
    When money is deposited in a bank, it becomes part of the banks asset base. Banks lend against that asset base, which by law must be around 8%. If loans go bad and their asset base can't support their loan book they are insolvent. This is why the US banks value the assets pledged against loans at values that existed when the loan was made - not mark-to-market. If banks valued the collateral at current market prices most would be insolvent.

    Do you really imagine that when a bank lends money someone else must have deposited it first? I suggest you do some research on how the Banking system works.

  • 17. Clive

    (08 October 2010, 01:57PM)  Complain about this comment

    I'm with Dyll Davies on this.

    Moneyweek (and Capital Economics) keep preaching their doom and gloom, and yet I keep making money on the markets !

    I just love finance professionals.

    I'm just surprised you didn't bung in yet another "we're all doomed, you need to buy Gold" - as though that's not going to end in tears for many people.

    As to Merryn Somerset Webb - didn't she tell us (correctly) that property was massively over-priced, then going and buy herself a massive property.

    Perhaps Moneyweek are trying to talk the market down to buy in on the cheap.

  • 18. James

    (08 October 2010, 02:09PM)  Complain about this comment

    Hi David,

    Excellent article - thanks.

    Unless anyone had failed to notice though we are in a steaming bull market right now which has further to run. Commodities stocks have been flying. Anyone with any exposure to hard assets right now (gold, silver, uranium, copper, steel etc.) is probably sitting on multiple gains of between 1 and 5 times capital over the last year alone. What a storming time to be "long" the market.

    This bull has further to run. The average life of a bull market is 2 to 3 years so we have at least 6 months left before this one tops out. I'm sitting tight and am ready to ride this bull through to March 2011. I'll keep the commodities exposure too as i'm expecting more enormous gains in industrial metals and mining stocks.

    Keep the bearish articles coming though - this bull, as always, will climb the wall of worry all the way to 6,000 and beyond.

    James

  • 19. James

    (08 October 2010, 02:14PM)  Complain about this comment

    Sorry David, just needed to add: where else would you allocate your capital right now??

    Real estate - is collapsing (finally!)...

    Bonds - possibly in a bubble but looking toppy in any event...

    Cash - negative returns due to record low interest rates and inflation at 3%...

    Stocks - of course! Some are down at p/e ratios of 4 or 5 times. HMV is yielding a ludicrous 15% dividend yield right now. Man Group is around 12%. Even BP, once it resums divs will be paying 8% at this level.

    Where else would the smart money go right now? It has to be into stocks and the really smart money is flowing into hard assets, commodities, which are in a long term bull (even is gold is looking toppy and no doubt due a 10% correction).

    James

  • 20. w2w

    (08 October 2010, 02:30PM)  Complain about this comment

    Mutual Funds cash position is at a record low (3.4%), bulls are all in. Insiders are selling massively.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/insider-selling-buying-2341-1

    Trouble with p/e's is that they rely on the "e". Earnings are about to disappoint and go on disappointing for years to come, allowing for the odd bout of "stimulus" (more debt) to create Bear market bounces.

    The Dow, S&P500, Ftse100 etc etc are all down on where they were 10 years ago, and still the bulls say its a Bull market! When you have all capitualted then we can have a real Bull.

    If you have made profits on this last run up, make sure you keep some on the next leg down.

  • 21. w2w

    (08 October 2010, 02:48PM)  Complain about this comment

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-biggest-sell-news-event-stock-market-history

  • 22. Jinda

    (08 October 2010, 03:41PM)  Complain about this comment

    @w2w

    "Do you really imagine that when a bank lends money someone else must have deposited it first?"

    No, but I do imagine that the loan is deposited and earns interest, so the bank does not take all the interest. And this is not fiat money (not state-issued, not legal tender, not given value by statute).

    "If loans go bad and their asset base can't support their loan book they are insolvent."

    Yes, but you don't get there by creating money from nothing, lending it at interest and keeping all the interest. You're missing a big part of the picture. If you take the bank away it's easier to see: a seller hands goods to a buyer in return for an interest-bearing, transferable IOU which they can use as money in other transactions. So, someone has created money from nothing and charged interest on it. But it's not very useful as money so they use a bank as a middle man and pay a fee for the service.

  • 23. Cassandra

    (08 October 2010, 06:50PM)  Complain about this comment

    "And if property values tumble again.... It wouldn't be great for consumption either. Falling house prices make consumers feel poorer and more cautious about splashing out."

    Dear oh dear...

    After all this time don't you GET it? What is bad for consumption is that house prices are too HIGH so therefore are mortgages. Mortgages are eating up two salaries when in the past only one was needed. These larger mortgages mean extra interest which is why bankers now get such large bonuses.

    We need house prices to fall to correct this consumption problem. Not for them to stay high to add to it. Do you want people's salaries to go straight to the mortgage with nothing left over to eat with?

    Go stand in the corner with a large "D" cap on your head.

  • 24. cpm121

    (08 October 2010, 11:51PM)  Complain about this comment

    854302I'd like to believe that there was a definitive cause and effect to the situation, but truthfully there are so many causes and effects all acting with different degrees of strength and randomness that its not clear to me what the final analysis will bring.

    I said that there was a property bubble a long, long time ago but could not venture a guess as to when it would be pierced. Vince Cable stated in a article which I still have in November 2003 that the property bubble would burst that year or soon thereafter, and its only just happened. Over five year after his publication. And now he's being hailed as some sort of financialoracle. Why is he being hailed a righteous all-seeing eye when he was out by five years?

  • 25. MarkA

    (09 October 2010, 01:25AM)  Complain about this comment

    So what does Quantitative Easing do besides dilute the value of all our monies, ie a kick start for inflation?
    Obviously some areas of the economy are boosted more than others, if it has been used to purchase government bonds demand for these is artificially inflated and it supports government debt, easing the risk to PLC UK, but isn't the price of everything else pushed up, as the value of the pound is decreased?
    So is the value of gold increasing or the value of the pound and dollar decreasing?

  • 26. Beware of False Profits

    (10 October 2010, 02:26PM)  Complain about this comment

    First:
    Read this article again and absorb, also read MSW’s other recent articles.

    Second:
    Try to understand them.

    Third:
    Read ZH.

    Forth:
    Try to understand.

    Fourth:
    Stocks high – Smart money anticipated QE2 months ago and piled in.
    Commodities high - Smart money anticipated QE2 months ago and piled in.
    Along with - Currency debasement “the race to the bottom” “currency wars”

    Fifth:
    Smart money got wise to “Ben’s put”
    Smart money has done its thing and is now on the way out or out as the dumb money piles in

    Sixth:
    Dumb money gets wise to “Ben’s put”, but too late !!!

    Seventh:
    See First and Second or get proper blow torched !

  • 27. piecost

    (10 October 2010, 09:52PM)  Complain about this comment

    David,

    I would have thought that, with the rise in confidence in the FTSE in the Retailing sector in the last couple of weeks and away from the Mining/Gas and Oil sectors would indicate the economy is beginning to return to normal? What do you think?

  • 28. Les

    (11 October 2010, 08:56AM)  Complain about this comment

    I confess to having only skimpy knowledge in matters of high finance, and so my question may seem bizzare:-

    If the Government (through the BoE) wish money to reach the creators of wealth in this country (manufacturers, inventors and entrepeneurs), and the first attempt (QE1) has not worked because the Banks will not lend; then why not create a Department which (through the BoE - or specially created Bank) uses a QE2 or 3 to lend to such people directly?

    Why does the Government not buy Equity in Companies which will help to grow the Economy by their receipt/support of such Government (our) funds?
    Perhaps then the Exchequer could benefit from Capital Gains, or even Dividends, which, hopefully, will accrue as those Companies/Organisations grow.
    Surely the Government / BoE can employ the people with the talent to make such a scheme work.

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