Are we heading for a repeat of the 2008 crash?

By Dominic Frisby May 12, 2010

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Finally, the UK has a new CEO. And we'll be looking at what this - and the Con-Lib coalition means - later in the week as the post-election dust settles.

But today, Dominic Frisby shares his fears about the markets and explains what you should do next...

You take a quick walk to the shops. You come back and the Dow's down 1,000 points.

The volatility of the past week has been breathtaking. Last week, in an event now known as the 'flash crash', the Dow saw the biggest intra-day fall in its history.

Then on Monday, global stock markets enjoyed one of their biggest ever gains.

It's all eerily reminiscent of late summer 2008, if you ask me. And we all know what happened next...

Remember Ben Bernanke's rate cut of 18 September, 2008? The communal sense of the jitters that gripped the financial world was morphing into a full scale panic. Stock markets were sliding, though not yet crashing.

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Behind the scenes at a conference table in the offices of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, congressional leaders were told they were "literally maybe (sic) days away from a complete meltdown of our financial system, with all the implications here at home and globally."

Then Bernanke cut the Federal Reserve's benchmark interest rate by a larger-than-expected half percentage point. The Dow enjoyed a 1,000-point surge over two days, from just below 10,500 to just below 11,500, as a trigger of stops among the short-sellers was hit. Wall Street was described by the New York Times as 'jubilant'.

Are we headed for a repeat of 2008's crash?

Whether it's volcanoes, general elections, oil spills, rogue traders with fat fingers, Greece, Spain, Italy or Portugal, all is clearly not well with the world. But this time the panic is in Europe. It now faces 'a complete meltdown of its own financial system', or its currency at least.

Since 25 April, as fears mounted over the Greek debt panic spreading to Portugal, Spain and Italy, markets had been sliding. Then the European Central Bank (ECB) and the IMF announced over the weekend that the 16 euro nations will offer financial assistance worth as much as €750bn.

Once again stock markets were 'jubilant'. On Monday, the FTSE 100 was up more than 200 points, the Dow over 400. But was this a genuine recovery, based on a fundamental change in the economic outlook? Or was it nothing more than a short squeeze, where those betting the market would fall were stopped out of their positions?

"The problems," as Mike Shedlock of Global Economic Analysis writes, "are too much debt, too much government spending, and a massively unbalanced global economy. None of these actions [those taken by the ECB over the weekend] address any of the fundamental issues". Like me, Mike sees this as nothing more than a temporary halt in the slide. That is all any such intervention can achieve.


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There is a growing sense of panic and uncertainty in the air. Is this really an environment to be putting new money to work in the stock market? Or is it a time to sell those overvalued assets and take profits on what has been a bonanza 12 months, while you still have them?

The bailout splits Germany and France

It seems that the German people are not so keen on this European bail-out package. Chancellor Angela Merkel's CDU-FDP coalition party lost control of Germany's most populous state - North Rhine-Westphalia - in a regional election last week, scoring its worst result ever in the region, losing 10.2% of the vote. No doubt memories of the 1920s still linger for the Germans, while they must also feel that Greece's problems are not theirs. The French, however, have been lobbying hard for the bail-out. Could it be because Italy owes France $511bn (20% of French GDP), while Spain owes her another $220bn? Do they want a bail-out precedent to be set?

Meanwhile, French president Nicolas Sarkozy declared he had plans to "confront speculators mercilessly" over the fall in the euro. But how is a slide in the euro the fault of speculators? Surely, the best thing the ECB can do to defend the euro is not print more of them? Sarkozy did not give details of this plan on the basis that doing so could undermine its effectiveness. But, whatever it was, it didn't work. The euro spiked against the dollar on Monday morning, but then worked its way back down and ended the day more or less flat.

How should investors react?

As you've probably gathered, I do not think these are markets to be involved in. I would recommend being heavily in cash, with the US dollar for now looking the best bet of a bad bunch. For traders, I would be inclined towards the short side. Government intervention, as we saw in 2008 with the ban on short-sales of financial stocks, and the numerous cuts in interest rates, will only change things temporarily. The markets will go where they want to go.

The run in commodities looks like it's over. As for gold, if you'd asked me 24 hours ago I would have said it was on a knife-edge and could go either way. But yesterday it broke out to all-time highs in after-hours trading - ironically, on the day that Gordon Brown, whose sale of our gold in 1999 marked a 30-year low, stepped down. Gold has finally become the safe haven that everyone flies to. Technically, there is now no overhead resistance, so there is no telling how high it could go. It's very exciting. Enjoy the ride. But let's get a weekly close above 1,224 before we start sounding the trumpets and ringing the bells.

Finally, you know I always like to paste a chart in these Money Mornings, so here's one I drew up yesterday. It's slightly off-topic, but it's tells such a good story that I figured it was well worth attaching. Here's how our currency has fared under Gordon Brown's leadership.

Not very impressive, is it? It'll be interesting to see how it does under the next lot.

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  • 1. Edward T

    (12 May 2010, 11:06AM)  Complain about this comment

    Mr Frisby, I like the way you assembled the pieces of the puzzle into a coherent view, thank you. However, markets being able to stay irrational for a long time, could you please write a bit more about what you called a "growing sense of panic and uncertainty in the air".

  • 2. Dyll D

    (12 May 2010, 11:25AM)  Complain about this comment

    I would agree with you that the fundamentals look poor with several factors not least sovereign debt and ironially China's overheating economy weighing heavily on investors' minds but you have consistently called this wrongly for the past year or so by failing to understand that we are now effectively in a 'zero sum game'!

  • 3. Daniel Victor

    (12 May 2010, 11:37AM)  Complain about this comment

    I'm with you on the markets'Dominic.But given 'helicopter Ben's' penchant for moneyprinting,I much prefer the Norwegian kroner to the US dollar.

  • 4. Chris G

    (12 May 2010, 11:56AM)  Complain about this comment

    I find your articles interesting and informative. However when G.Brown came to power the U.K economy was a built on sand due to the over dependence on financial industries which only dubiously really create wealth. The pound was I believe at a 25 year high against the dollar in 2007 but a significant proportion of the economic success of the U.K was built on the credit boom over this period which as we know turned nasty during the GFC. A correction was due as our economy hopefully makes a transition to becoming more balanced and a bigger exporter of products and services that can provide long term growth. The fact the GFC occurred during Gordon Brown’s premiership is not necessarily a reflection on him and it could be argued he has provided stability and made a lot of good calls in a difficult time.
    To simply show that portion of the GBP/USD graph on its own ignores the wider picture and reinforces the adage ‘There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics’.

  • 5. Keith Jones

    (12 May 2010, 12:02PM)  Complain about this comment

    Great article as usual, but wouldn't the UK's new government be more aptly known as The Condem coalition rather than ConLib?

  • 6. Alex

    (12 May 2010, 12:14PM)  Complain about this comment

    Chris, I agree, the real damage to the economy was done between 1997 and 2007 before Brown became PM, when he was chancellor. That was when he put in place the appalling maco-economic mess that the country is in.

  • 7. Alex

    (12 May 2010, 12:21PM)  Complain about this comment

    Dominic, I find it strange that you are obsessed with gold, but never mention silver or other precious metals in your articles.

    IF gold continues to rally upwards silver will most likely be the main beneficiary and arguably is the better place to be.

    MW repaetedly ran articles recommending silver about 3 years ago but then seemed to loose faith in the trade and stopped mentioning it. In my opinion it may well be that the silver trade is coming of age.

    To be fair it's up 330% since MW started to recommend buying silver back when it was $6 an ounce about 3 years ago.

    Run a chart of the ratio of gold and silver prices and you'll see what I mean.

    A good trade would be long Nat Gas, long Silver, short Oil, short Gold. Just an idea.

  • 8. AndyE

    (12 May 2010, 12:31PM)  Complain about this comment

    Mr. Frisby - it's looking more like a repeat of the 1987 crash to me !

  • 9. Stocks72

    (12 May 2010, 01:01PM)  Complain about this comment

    Dominic, I think you forgot the “real” economy, US exports have increasing for a long time, industrial production rose too. Germany is also exporting and producing more. Two good examples.
    I am bearish at moment about the stock markets; however, as from august 2010 the stock prices will rise again, I would buy stocks now.

  • 10. IJ

    (12 May 2010, 01:37PM)  Complain about this comment

    To paraphrase Mark Twain, history rhymes rather than repeat itself. The probability of a frame-by-frame repeat of the 2008 crash is surely absolutely minuscule for a number of reasons, one of them being that a large number of people are in agreement with Dominic Frisby.

  • 11. Leonard Gore

    (12 May 2010, 02:49PM)  Complain about this comment

    Chris G.
    You seem to have overlooked the fact thet Gordon Brown was Chancellor of the Exchequer from 1997 to 2007. Blair abdicated all financial responsibility and put it in Brown's hands. Those ten years were a disaster with tax increase at every budget and but still failing to meet the uncontrolled spending of Brown not least of which was the recruitment of vast numbers of additional civil servants. In ten years the civil service numbers grew by 670,000

    What amazes me is that so many people still seem to believe he was a good chancellor. As you point out Chris, his growth figures were phony and his statements about over-spending being fine so long as it was balanced out over a cycle were ludicrous as he kept lengthening the cycle. As for his claim to end "boom and bust" well, now we have it, its just bust.

  • 12. Stephen B

    (12 May 2010, 03:15PM)  Complain about this comment

    The markets can generally only handle one crisis at a time. Should something else blow up (China being the prime candidate) alongside the ongoing crisis in the Eurozone...Kaboom Stock Market!

  • 13. jj

    (12 May 2010, 04:22PM)  Complain about this comment

    It seems you still have faith in the U.S. Dollar.When you and others who still believe in Dollars(I don't know why), finally give up on them, gold will then be the only flight to quality currency available.Then gold will soar.

  • 14. SteveK

    (12 May 2010, 11:04PM)  Complain about this comment

    Jessica mentioned ''Bullionvault'' & co-incidentally, I found this article in The Telegraph which mentions them & which I found quite informative. This seems the ideal forum in which to share it...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/gold/5307866/Gold-Investors-warned-of-scams.html

  • 15. Angus

    (13 May 2010, 03:08AM)  Complain about this comment

    @jessica

    If you've wise enough to have physical gold somewhere safe like Bullionvault - I'd leave it there. [Maybe transfer it to Zurich if you're on the lowest commission rate?]

    The gold bull market slipped quietly out of Brown's Bottom station about 10 years ago and is now really starting to gather steam. We've entered the second phase of the run as can be seen from the charts in almost any currency - the up channel has increased its slope.

    When this phase ends in a year[?] or so; we will then enter the terminal manic phase. No-one alive will ever have seen a parabolic spike like it and it will be terrifying to ride. When to jump off - and what to jump into - will be a very difficult decision.

    In the 1971-1980 bull market nominal $gold multiplied 24 times - this time it could easily be 50. [I know - sounds stupid.]

    Don't give away your golden lifeboat now.

  • 16. nicky88888

    (13 May 2010, 06:35AM)  Complain about this comment

    Generally speaking private investors and 'punters' or 'players' are always obsessed with the news de jour.
    Big money is really only interested in corporate profits and Interest rates as these are the two giant engines which drive equity markets.

    Both those are indicating a very favorable environment for equities.
    The caveat is volatility which tends to get squeezed as prices move up.
    Rather like pushing on a spring - that's why when vol is high its time to buy and when vol is low its time to go.

    When the Volatility cat comes out of the bag after a long period of low or lowering volatility it is usually out for a while. So money manages will be looking at ways to hedge against this volatility without dumping their holdings (Gold? after all options get very pricey when volatility spikes)

    Markets will need to put in a sequence of lower highs and lower lows for the momentum to turn short.
    It is probably best to wait for the confirmation before going short

  • 17. David

    (13 May 2010, 12:03PM)  Complain about this comment

    Wrong again Moneyweek

  • 18. Midge

    (13 May 2010, 04:35PM)  Complain about this comment

    In future when banks shares are sold giving country a good returnI hope to keep reading what price Gordon Brown paid for them.No chance.

  • 19. DavePage

    (13 May 2010, 10:33PM)  Complain about this comment

    Excellent graph Dominic -- thank God Grodon Brown is gone.

    Much os the global malaise could be put right by (with a case for saying it was caused by) stopping throwing money at indebted people to keep them in houses that they should never have bought at the prices they did. Quite apart from the moral hazard of prudent people like me being kept from buying a house by using the interest from my savings to give the overindebted a holiday from their mortgage responsibilities and keep house prices high, it is now apparent that the money (real or quantitatively-eased) no longer exists to keep this merry-go-round going.

  • 20. DavePage

    (13 May 2010, 10:33PM)  Complain about this comment

    ...With Brown now gone, we should put a stop to the profligacy that he instigated. It was reported on Yahoo today that 5 million people in the UK are unable to afford an interest rate rise -- this is not because 0.5% is the sensible arbiter of repayment, but because most people's self-interest accords quite nicely with a 90% drop in their tracker repayments over the last 15 months. Raise interst rates, stop the tax-giveaways to BTL 'investors' (i.e., those who bank on the labour of others) and watch sterling and our economy recover as house prices fall and millions of FTBers are able to take part in homeownership.

  • 21. Patrick P

    (14 May 2010, 01:03AM)  Complain about this comment

    I am confused by Dominic's statements over AUKH/Gold as an indicator of the time to sell gold and get into property. In November 2008, he said he would "pick up the phone to Foxtons" if the average UK property reached 200 ounces of gold. Now it has reached that level but a more recent article said 120 was a fair price or maybe even lower. Which is it?

    (P.S. I find these articles useful evn if the targets change.)

  • 22. Abhishek

    (14 May 2010, 03:44PM)  Complain about this comment

    The European Bazooka which led to a massive short covering rally on Monday has been proven a complete waste in just 5 days. Reports of political and social fissures within the European Union and more importantly the prospect of slow growth in the whole region due to fiscal cuts has led to the Euro falling even below the level of last week.This despite the raison de etre of the bailout being the “defence of the Euro” .Read more at http://www.greenworldinvestor.com

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