Get ready for the next phase of the house price crash

By MoneyWeek Editor John Stepek Feb 09, 2010

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It seems this correction has legs.

After a sharp last-minute rebound saved US shares from closing lower on Friday, the Dow Jones lost another 100 points yesterday.

As my colleague David Stevenson pointed out yesterday, this isn't just about Greece. The state of that country has merely reminded everyone that there are plenty of other debt time bombs scattered around the global economy, just waiting to go off.

And one is located smack bang in the middle of the UK property market...

What caused the house price surge?

Remember the subprime crisis? A quick recap. Banks used to make home loans using the money that savers deposited with them. The savers got one rate of interest, the borrowers paid a higher rate, the banks made a profit in the middle, and everyone was happy.

Then banks realised they could parcel up the loans and sell them to other people. So rather than having to attract savers, they wrapped up home loans and sold them to investors. Demand for these packages (mortgage-backed securities, or MBS) was so high that banks couldn't write loans fast enough.

Hence borrowing costs and standards plunged, house prices surged, lots of people got home loans who shouldn't have, and it all went pear-shaped when some particularly dodgy debtors in the US started defaulting before they'd even made a single payment.

Fine, we all know the story. But what happened next? The securitisation market dried up completely. Demand for MBS shut down everywhere. That was a problem for British lenders. Because between 1999 and 2007, according to the Council of Mortgage Lenders (CML), new mortgage lending outstripped retail deposits by £180bn. In other words, that £180bn didn't come from savers, it came from investors.

So when investor demand for MBS vanished, lenders were left in a fix. They didn't have anything like the amount of money they needed in order to write the sorts of quantities of home loans they'd been writing before.

So the government stepped in. Two schemes were introduced to prop up lending for home loans, and by extension, the housing market and house prices. One was the Special Liquidity Scheme. This effectively allowed banks to swap MBS with the Bank of England for gilts, then swap the gilts for cash at very cheap rates. A full £178bn has been borrowed by the banks in this way.

The other scheme is a Credit Guarantee Scheme whereby the Treasury has guaranteed banks' fund-raising. £134bn has come through this route. As Robert Peston points out on his blog on the BBC website, "that is £314bn of credit provided to mortgage providers by us, the taxpayers."


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Why house prices will fall again

Trouble is, the bill is coming due. The £178bn has to be paid back by the end of 2012. Meanwhile, most of the debt guarantees also expire in 2012, or by the latest, 2014. As Peston says, 2012 might seem far off at the moment. But not if you're writing 25-year home loans. If you know that you're going to have to repay all that debt in a couple of years' time, you're not going to be keen to keep writing new loans.

If the banks had to raise that kind of money privately to repay the loans to the government, then they'd be competing for capital with lots of other institutions and companies. What happens when demand for something (investors' money) goes up while the supply remains the same? You guessed it – it gets more expensive. So the banks will have to pay more than they currently are to get their hands on that money.

Lloyds Banking Group recently raised £4bn via an issue of MBS, reports Norma Cohen in the FT. The bank had to pay more than 1.85 percentage points above 3-month Libor (one of the key rates at which banks lend to one another) to get private investors to buy the stuff. What happens when all the banks try to do the same, particularly when the MBS market is still very fragile?

And of course, if the cost of funding for the banks goes up, then the cost goes up for consumers too. So you'll have to pay more for your home loan (not to mention personal loans and small business loans). And as the price of credit goes up, prices of houses will fall again.

The trouble is, the banks can't really afford for that to happen either. They've only just got to a stage where they can pretend that their loans aren't massively underwater, because prices have ostensibly rebounded so sharply.

So the CML is clearly hoping for some sort of extension to the lending schemes. "We are not suggesting that government pour vodka in the punch bowl. We are asking how government can get the patient to sober up without too much shock therapy," said the lobby group's Rob Thomas.

The last thing Britain can afford right now is more debt

But can the Government afford to extend the schemes? This is where Greece comes back into the picture. Investors are starting to look at us, then look at Greece, and wonder where exactly the difference lies, beyond the climate. Both countries have hugely over-extended public sectors. And at least Greece is talking about cutbacks. In Britain, neither party is willing to talk tough before the election.

Sterling tanked against the dollar yesterday while gilt yields rose. It's as if investors had suddenly thought: "Wait a minute. Greece is implicitly backed by Germany. Who's propping up Britain?"

In short, the last thing Britain can afford right now is the spectre of even more debt being piled onto the books. As US economist Simon Johnson, formerly of the International Monetary Fund, put it: "Unless you [Britain] can persuade the markets you're really going to bring the budget under control in the foreseeable future, you're going to have big trouble."

The time for open-ended bail-outs is passed. Governments can't afford to take on any more bad debt from the private sector. That almost certainly means that the price of credit is going to go up. And the price of everything else will go down.

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  • 1. Mark

    (09 February 2010, 11:56AM)  Complain about this comment

    Gordon Brown wants to win the next election because he has never been an elected Prime Minister. He will borrow to give the impression of a recovery with no regard to the damage he has already done and will continue to do. Money Week is reporting on the problems and proposed solutions to the UK debt situation but they miss the point........ only the election counts.

  • 2. David Morgan

    (09 February 2010, 12:00PM)  Complain about this comment

    Quality analysis,as ever. I had lost track of that £300 Bn+ that we taxpayers have lent out, as have (apparently) most housing market pundits. Being reminded of it makes clear how half-informed the bulk of commentary is in this area, and helps to explain why house prices have continued to defy the natural gravity of unaffordability. The real reckoning still awaits us.

  • 3. getin

    (09 February 2010, 12:34PM)  Complain about this comment

    No. 1 & 2 above.. both comments spot on...
    The only reason we are "out of recession?" is due to all the stimulous thats been going into the economy together with the low interest rates. Its as artificial as Jordans Boobs.
    There is more pain to come.

  • 4. Mike

    (09 February 2010, 12:57PM)  Complain about this comment

    "And the price of everything else will go down."

    Surely, everything apart from imports which will go u if the £ falls. So that is about all consumer goods going up then.

    Anyone for a nice slice of stagflation.

    Any ideas what our main exports are, oh yeah arms and cigarettess or to put it another way'; death and death. Makes you proud to be British, dunnit.

  • 5. David

    (09 February 2010, 01:09PM)  Complain about this comment

    It's going to be very grim after the election.
    I have no desire to vote for any of them and think they're all just there for the power.

  • 6. Peter Kellow

    (09 February 2010, 01:32PM)  Complain about this comment

    John’s quick resume What caused the house price surge? surely needs to add in the Ponzi element of the house price surge to understand where we are now.

    The banks created most of the money to lend to house buyers and like any Ponzi scam it relied on either new entrants or bigger loans to existing punters. Those who got in early made money.

    The losers are the late entrants who are left holding the baby.

    Now house prices will have to fall hugely to enable the economy to afford the interest payments. We are nowhere near that stage at present. The massively extended money supply will have to be burnt off and that means someone will have to loose. This will be those who paid too high for their houses and the banks when they write off bad debts.

    As Mark says the government is trying to shore up the Ponzi pyramid until the election but they always end up the same way. Collapse.

  • 7. Bob Roberts

    (09 February 2010, 02:16PM)  Complain about this comment

    Mark's first comment is spot on - Brown will do whatever is required to keep him in Downing Street, even if it means indebting generations to come or bankrupting the nation.

    IMPO Brown is a typical control freak personality - and that is being polite in terms of personality disorders. I personally think that thinks all self-employed business people are glorified spivs in the mould of the spiv from Dad's Army, are not to be trusted and should be taxed till they hurt. At the same time having a bloated public sector appeals to his control freak mentality as people's jobs are dependent upon him.

    Hence why the housing market will not crash until there is another UK debt crisis in some form.

  • 8. Robert

    (09 February 2010, 03:02PM)  Complain about this comment

    I am looking at getting in to the housing market so my view is one of an investor. Whilst I agree that if the cost of credit were to go back up in the future, there would also a lot more renters in the market who cannot get into their own homes. This would mean rents would increase. If what you are saying is true and there is more doom and gloom on the horizon, then chances are interest rates would be low (QE has obviously confused things however). Combine these two factors and you would have a pretty good investment; plenty of tenants to choose from/high rent income and low interest rates. Sure the asset may decrease in value in the short term but over time, say five years, the equity you would have bought would put you in a good position? This would be helped by the inflation effect on the mortgage amount.

  • 9. Bob Roberts

    (09 February 2010, 03:57PM)  Complain about this comment

    So potential house buyers have to wait until 2012 at the earliest but more likely 2014 before house prices begin to drop? Hmm, another 2 to 4 years of rent?

  • 10. Bob Roberts

    (09 February 2010, 04:15PM)  Complain about this comment

    Interesting house buying/selling discussion on Mumsnet -

    http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/909138-Shortage-of-house-sellers-is-a-lie

  • 11. greg

    (09 February 2010, 04:36PM)  Complain about this comment

    Would not touch property with a barge pole,a corrupt Government that would sell their granny to keep house prices high,its simple physics...what goes up must come down,the bubble is at bursting point...batten down the hatches!!

  • 12. iain

    (09 February 2010, 04:38PM)  Complain about this comment

    John,

    Your opening simple discription of what banks used to do far understates the truth.... you dont mention fractional reserve lending.Banks in reality create money out of thin air and lend out hundreds of times more than they physically have on deposit.

    Mssrs Rothschild,Warburg,Morgan and Rockefeller are responsible for the greatest crimes against humanity in the history of the planet.

    Also,gordon the highwayman... when reducing VAT temporarily added an extra 2% duty on fuel.VAT has gone back to 17.5% but he hasn't removed the extra 2% duty ... yet another stealth tax!

  • 13. Bob Roberts

    (09 February 2010, 04:51PM)  Complain about this comment

    11. greg :-

    But this Government is doing everything possibly to prevent house prices from falling - reducing interest rates to virtually zero, using public money to loan to the mortgage lenders, getting the mortgage lenders to delay calling in bad loans from those who are unable to pay their mortgages.

    Add to that a population whose economic prowess seems to go no further than believing their house is always going to be worth more tomorrow than it is today and a profession, I use that term loosely, of estate agents, who are basically salesmen with a vested interest but who are seen by house sellers as almost saintly, and you have to ask yourself not when but if house prices will crash in the UK.

    The US, Eire, Spain and elsewhere have all seen big price drops but virtually nothing in the UK.

  • 14. emsy

    (09 February 2010, 05:05PM)  Complain about this comment

    Can anyone tell me, if house prices are to 'fall by 50%' surely that will have a negative knock on for all other areas of the economy and ppl will choose not to sell etc and the property market will slide into obliteration, followed not only by cconnected business but by a further decrease in interest rates, and it will be the Wall St., crash again for real. So why are investors still buying up half of London as if the streets are paved with gold-do they know somrthing us ordinary punters don't?

  • 15. Stotty

    (09 February 2010, 05:08PM)  Complain about this comment

    And just imagine what happens if and when the housing market in the UK does go into freefall whilst at the same time interest rates rise markedly? Repo's and credit losses for the UK banking system go into the stratosphere - again.

    Another UK banking crisis anyone? After all, the UK banking system has exploded on the back of the US housing market, not the UK one.

  • 16. DataAndy

    (09 February 2010, 05:12PM)  Complain about this comment

    You really think the govt will demand money back and bring the whole property market down? Which ever party does that can kiss goodbye to ever getting elected again in 2014, assuming the country is still owned by UK Plc and not UK Corp!

  • 17. Andy M

    (09 February 2010, 05:14PM)  Complain about this comment

    I also agree with Mark, it's all about politics. The question was asked, 'Greece have Germany to back them up, who do we (UK) have'? Well the answer is, we have the BOE who will just print money to avoid any nominal fall in house prices. Sure, MW readers know this is crazy, but the voting majority don't.

    If you asked a classroom of 6 year olds how to solve the UK's economic problem, I'm pretty sure they'd come up with the same policy as Gordon & co.......why don't you just print some more money?

    I'd like to believe JS is correct, and we will see asset prices deflate, but we won't, only the value of your money will deflate.

  • 18. Ricardo

    (09 February 2010, 06:06PM)  Complain about this comment

    "I'd like to believe JS is correct, and we will see asset prices deflate, but we won't, only the value of your money will deflate."

    And that's the crux of it. So buy drugs, oil, water, watts, food anything real, and tangible, and of value. But don't buy houses. That market will come to a virtual standstill in time.

  • 19. greg

    (09 February 2010, 08:45PM)  Complain about this comment

    Bob 13,of course they are there is an election looming,they all have "property portfolios"the easy money has gone,4 years ago I could buy a house to let,call my "financial Adviser"(now on JSA) and the money was there no questions asked,I would then remortgage it,to buy another again no questions asked,those days have gone,first time buyers need £40k dep to buy a rabbit hutch,I hope they do crash,I dont want my 2yr old coming to me in 20 years time asking me for in todays money 40k to buy a crap flat in a crap area or asking me to put my house in the deal for a guantor,the party is over,prices are only staying the same as where I come from,idiots put there house on for silly money and it sits there or they rent it,sales are low volumes compared to 2 years ago,the government should have let them crash,then we could all start getting the bubble going again!! think of all the tax and VAT the gangsters ( government) would rake in!!FTB'ers frozen out=price drop.

  • 20. Peter

    (09 February 2010, 11:53PM)  Complain about this comment

    You should try and resist quoting journos like Peston. He's wrong, the debt has been provided by international AAA debt investors not the taxpayer. The taxpayer has merely guaranteed the debt and received a spread in return. Once the fee paid to the taxpayer is included the difference between govt and non govt guranteed funding is not all that different now so its not right to assume bank borrowing costs have recently increased. In reality the banks are more likely to reduce their lending to meet possible funding shortfalls in 2012.

  • 21. RICHARD RALPH ROEHL

    (10 February 2010, 12:54AM)  Complain about this comment

    What caused the house price surge?

    This editorial question makes me laugh. It should be all too obvious by now... it was caused by tulip minded fools (real-estate $peculators)indulging in $hort-$ighted greed. I am really talking here about people that have little or no concept of HOME. They are not unlike rabid jackals in a feeding frenzy... not thinking of tomorrow.

    I live in Los Angeles part of the time. I lived through the L.A. riots and earthquakes. Needless to say... the $ociopaths (real-estate $peculators) are still in control out here. The big crash in $outhern California is yet to come! It's going to be brutal; the consequences will be particularly dire for commercial real-estate. Homeless and bankrupt consumers don't buy goods and $ervices from businesses. This includes Wal-Mart (a.k.a.: China Red Inc.).

  • 22. Property Match (UK)

    (10 February 2010, 08:59AM)  Complain about this comment

    Theres a fire-stom raging in the mortgage market; and its coming our way!

    Unpalatable though the pill may be, the best prognosis for long-term recovery and for our longevity would be to let house prices find their true market level.
    If anyone wants to read a full explanation of this please read http://bit.ly/cJTAwe

  • 23. CCUB

    (10 February 2010, 02:57PM)  Complain about this comment

    House prices have droped in the UK about 25% depends on location.

    House prices had to come down!

    you cannot have house prices going up 10,15-20% per year and wages only a few %...................something has to give.

    JMO

    Cub

  • 24. alex

    (10 February 2010, 03:34PM)  Complain about this comment

    Okay lets rewind to 1997/8 when house prices were just emerging from the last trough. Back then you could buy a house in a decent area in the SE for about £80,000

    By the peak in 2007 that has risen to £200,000 .....then we had the 25 % fall you mention. Which takes us back to £150,000 by 2009.

    If you allow for 3.5% compound RPI inflation over the intervening 12 years you get a fair value for a 1997 £80,000 house of £120,000

    So we'd need a further 15% fall to take us all the way back to where we were in 1997 in real terms. It's actually not that far away really.

    In my opinion what will happen now is not much at all i.e. stagnant house prices for 3-5 more years which will pull real terms prices back to that 1997 level without the need for much more in the way of nominal falls.

    Hardly an implosion, at least not from here on in. Just a boring half decade whilst investors rediscover the stockmarket and forget about ramping property prices.

  • 25. CCUB

    (10 February 2010, 04:14PM)  Complain about this comment

    24 Alex

    Sounds about right!

    Don't agree on the stockmarket......................going to come down soooooooooooooooooooooon

    Same thing share prices dear to earnings.............cannot carry on and on like that.

    Going back to the property.............................there is going to be another upset.................world governments sticky plaster can only hold for so long.

    JMO

    Cub

  • 26. alex

    (10 February 2010, 04:26PM)  Complain about this comment

    Ah the stockmarket I'm less sure is overvalued, applying the same calculations the 1997 equivalent to the FTSE being at 5100 ( where it is today ) would be 3375.......that's a hell of a fall from a peak of near 7,000 over a decade ago. Meanwhile house prices almost tripled.

    And during that time the world economy, and the number of consumers has increased greatly. To my mind blue chip, international stocks ( and they must be fully international ) are actually undervalued versus virtually any other asset class. And if you invest in the right sort of company they are actually underpinned by real tangible assets.

    I do think if you want to see what's going to happen to the UK property market the best analogy would be Northern Italy ( don't include Tuscany in that analogy, we've got awful weather and bad food at least Italy has lovely weather and fine dining ...so someone always wants to buy there)

  • 27. Duncan

    (10 February 2010, 05:25PM)  Complain about this comment

    The UK housing market is something which I now realise that the government will not allow to drop, no matter how disastrous for the rest of the economy. They seem to target approximately 8% growth per year.

    I've done a few calculations on this, and assuming 2% GDP growth per year, and 8% house price growth per year, in 2301 the value of an AVERAGE house in the UK will exceed the GDP.

    The two are incompatible. It's not possible, so why don't we accept some basic high school maths and give up the obsession with house price inflation and let things fall back to where they should be? Oh, right, I forgot, you don't need to have any knowledge of maths to study history or be chancellor or prime minister.

  • 28. Bob Roberts

    (10 February 2010, 05:34PM)  Complain about this comment

    You lot are all talking about this coming house crash but people on here have been talking about this for years now.

    Even John's above article mentions 2012 and even 2014 - so that could be a full decade of talking about a housing crash in the UK before it happens and that is a BIG if.

    The BOE today said that IRs will be kept low for a long time to come so what will cause the housing crash????

  • 29. The One Who Knows

    (10 February 2010, 10:04PM)  Complain about this comment

    Bottom line is that property values underpin bank balance sheets. BOE will do whatever it takes to shore up property values - oh, guess what, they just did and I don't see that changing for many years and neither do they according to the inflation report out this week.

    Property crash ? in your dreams, renters ...

  • 30. Adrian

    (10 February 2010, 10:51PM)  Complain about this comment

    Hang on - CML warns of a mortgage famine if central bank and government funding support is not extended - and Mervyn King has now just said the Special Liquidity Scheme will end in January 2011 as scheduled and would not be extended:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jeremywarner/100003632/mervyn-king-outlook-uncertain/

    The result - "mortgage rates will be going up sharply by the end of the year, as banks are forced to fall back on more expensive market funding for their mortgage books"

    John Stepek's article couldn't be more accurate....

  • 31. alex

    (11 February 2010, 09:59AM)  Complain about this comment

    I like that calculation Duncan. 2301 you say. I was thinking about being cryogenically frozen so by your calculations all I need to do is by half a dozen flats in Swansea, get woken up in 200 years and I'll be a billionaire. ;-)

    Seriously yes you are right ongoing compound 8% rises in UK property prices are unsustainable, they were relatively underpriced, then the boomed and overshot becoming overvalued, now they've fallen back and will do 'not much at all' for a decade or so before the next spike comes along.

    I think we'll see something like 0-1% house price growth, 0-1% GDP growth and 3-4% inflation for the next 5-7 years, which will bring real-terms house prices back to 1997 values.

    At which point the Daily Mail will run a feature on UK houses being cheap as chips, Labour will get back into power, and off we go again.

  • 32. Bob Roberts

    (11 February 2010, 10:47AM)  Complain about this comment

    I think you are gravely underestimating the price of flats let alone houses in Swansea Alex - it is as if the economic collapse never had in Swansea with the majority of sellers and estate agents not only continue to ask 2007 boom asking prices but, in the past few months, many are now asking ABOVE 2007 boom prices. For a city nearly entirely dependent upon public sector workers the brutal reality is that the recession has not come to Swansea... yet.

  • 33. alex

    (12 February 2010, 02:04PM)  Complain about this comment

    Oh? Maybe it's the Charlotte Curch effect. Or baby boomers retiring there?

    I do worry what'll happen in about 20 years time when the boomers all start to shuffle off this mortal coil. Wont there be a sharp drop in the population?

    They seem to make up about 70% of the population in the small welsh borders town I grew up in. It means that no one born locally can afford a house so they leave the area to start families never to return. It closes the schools, means there's a smaller and smaller local pool of labour, and they object to anything and everything ensuring a once vibrant town is being slowly suffocated.

  • 34. mythoughts

    (13 February 2010, 11:34AM)  Complain about this comment

    Regarding the recovery -or lack thereof, as you are predicting- in the property market, what I think you are underestimating is the nation's ' gut desire' for property acquisition/ ownership. also a national talent/bent/positive disposition towards DIYing. The ownership bit is a pandora box that for good or for bad Mrs Thatcher made a start at opening slowly but steadily all those years ago. We have borrowed and borrowed to satisfy the 'desire' and/or the 'bent' and yes to make money on the side as well, but it is the former that drove the latter not the other way around. Of course once the money started coming then we got on to another level. Αll that gazing into charts misses the people behind the charts. Ηumans are not logically acting beings. We are supposed to be but we are not. Investing in property follows a set of people-rules rather than market -rules. I guess the difference lies in factoring in an even larger percent of the ...irrational.

  • 35. Michael Keynes

    (16 February 2010, 11:14AM)  Complain about this comment

    The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.

  • 36. levelheaded

    (20 February 2010, 03:44PM)  Complain about this comment

    To suggest house prices will fall as financing becomes tighter is too simplistic. There are many factors influencing house prices. I don't pretend to be able to predict house prices but I do know that it's not a simple as the article suggests. Consumer confidence, availablity of supply of housing stock, cost of living, employment, asperations, demographics, etc

    As for the special liquidity schemes etc, the rise in rates by the Fed indicates that finacial markets are (albeit slowly) moving towards reasonable levels of activity.

    We need to have balance when discussing these issues. If I can mention them here (in just a few lines), why couldn't they have been mentioned in the article.

  • 37. A Disillusioned Renter

    (23 February 2010, 02:12PM)  Complain about this comment

    MoneyWeek, which I used to subscribe to, has been forecasting a 50% drop in house prices for a long time now... but they keep extending their deadline. Maybe due to QE..

    The problem is being able to judge the bottom of the market. For us in Hampshire it was Dec 2008... Moneyweek advised not buying until end of 2009 early 2010.. so I waited... and sure as eggs are eggs prices are now higher than at the end of 2007.

    I've sat out the market for 2 years now and am fed up of paying £1300 a month rent, want to be able to dig up a garden and put nails in the wall... and have a family home.... remember I made my 'money' in the rising housing market from 2002 to 2007 so if prices fall I'm only giving back some gains... so I'm buying a home for me, my wife and kids.

    You never know my house may rise again in years to come once its fallen.... and Moneyweek may still be forecasting a 50% drop

  • 38. saciji

    (24 February 2010, 07:15AM)  Complain about this comment

    I agree with Alex. we greedily consumed Wales, & the rest of the world through Sunday glossies, indulging in our croissants & fairtrade coffee - very pc & green. Glaring when reading a UK weekend paper after working abroad in less wealthy countries.Colonial rule continued. Leaches of Gower or Goa sees no end. We think two homes a "right" - no.2 barely enjoying a few weeks of our residence. The host community suffers the exhorbidant house prices pushing locals and their youngsters out. No thought to cultural heritage or the fragile fabric of a region's customs and history.Property parasites contribute very little to these communities - glossies continue to sell the dream - stoking the fire of avarice. Ditto packaged holiday dream - five star, cheap, bug free food & two showers a day - with locals queuing at the local pump - if they're lucky!! We haven't even touched on the mobility of sleeze We really are quite a disgusting animal type and deserve all that's coming to us!

  • 39. How do you know who's right?

    (24 February 2010, 06:22PM)  Complain about this comment

    So....... new to all this but fed up with renting and seeing prices creeping up again.......... I read all the 'experts'. And none of them agree. What to do? Toss a coin? You tell me.

  • 40. Pat

    (20 March 2010, 09:50AM)  Complain about this comment

    Absolutely spot on with previous recession charts! get rid of debt or reduce it in our personal lives, do not spend is THE advice!!!!! Govmnt advises to spend - dont!!!!!. the global economic depression is protracted and on its way, a very bad time for everyone. Iran looming now. Policies for building dwellings for repossessions are also aligned. fear for jobs, heart attacks. must acknowledge and be urgent in our personal lives.

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