Is this the end of the line for gold?

By Dominic Frisby Feb 20, 2013

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Is the bull run over?

As the FTSE pushes to five-year highs, gold has just had another torrid week. It is currently sitting just above $1,600, a level last seen in mid-2011 and some way off its peak.

So, the key question for investors is this: is it time to declare it 'game over' and bail out of the precious metal?

My analysis suggests we could reach a key decision point for the gold price before the end of March. Here’s why.

The gold price is stuck in a rut

I want to start with a chart that I posted a few weeks back. It shows the action in gold over the last two years. You can see that since the blow-off of August-September 2011, gold has been stuck in a range. $1,800 - the red band - marks the top of the range (resistance). $1,520 - the amber band - marks the bottom (support).

Gold price chart

Since October 2012, gold has been moving steadily lower in a rather orderly fashion. This move is defined by the two blue tramlines. While some kind of short-term bounce looks likely, as we are sitting on the lower boundary of this channel, it looks as though we are now heading back down to test that amber area of support.

If that area of support does not hold - if, to put a round number on it, $1,500 is broken - then my theory that gold is forming a base before another one of its big moves higher is invalidated. It might even be time to move on from gold. Yes, that’s what I just wrote.

Is the great gold bull market over?

It wouldn't be the most poetic way for a bull market to end. I'd always envisaged some kind of triumphant spike up, perhaps even some official recognition of gold as a monetary asset, but, hey, I'm not in charge.

But hold your horses. Don't despair. We haven't even got to that $1,520 area yet, let alone gone through it. There's no guarantee we will even get there. Though it’s never too early to be considering what your exit strategy might be, it's too early to be declaring game over. There are a few things we can be very positive about.

Sentiment supports gold

Take sentiment. Being subjective, sentiment is notoriously difficult to measure. Some might see my own current hesitation about gold - given that I'm normally so bullish - as a positive contrarian indicator in itself. But just about every reading is at lows only normally seen at, or close to, market bottoms.

Mark Hulbert of Marketwatch notes that Hulbert Gold Newsletter Sentiment Index (HGNSI), which "reflects the average recommended gold-market exposure of a subset of short-term gold timers" has been -3.3% over the last four months. "You have to go back as far as 1991 to find another four-month period in which the average HGNSI reading was this negative", he says. In 1991, gold was $360 an ounce.

Bloomberg sentiment readings are almost as extreme. Its measure of positive sentiment – CMSEGSBL – stands at 32%. It has reached these levels before, but usually only at market lows – once in 2004, twice in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011.

Bloomberg’s measure of negative sentiment – CMSEGCBR – stands at 59%. It has only been this high three times – once in 2009, once in 2010 and once in 2011.

Baron Rothschild once said "buy when there’s blood in the streets". Sentiment is one way of measuring blood.

The relative strength index (RSI) is another. By measuring the velocity and magnitude of recent price movements, it attempts to show if a market is over-bought or over-sold. Gold’s RSI has only been this low three times in the last fourteen years. Last year, at the depths of the 2008 crash and at the historical low of 1999, better known as 'Brown's bottom'.

Gold price chart

These kind of extreme measures suggest gold is a market that perhaps getting ready to turn back up. These are feelings associated with bottoms rather than tops. However, for now, the trend is down - and trends are powerful things.


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Is the equity market flashing buy or sell?

It's widely believed that gold and the equity markets trade in opposite directions. As one moves up, the other falls. You buy gold if you think equities are going to fall and vice versa. This is mistaken.

This chart shows gold and the S&P500 since 1981. Gold is in black, the S&P500 in red. I have marked with blue squares the periods when the two moved in different directions – in opposition. These periods were late-1984; 1988 to early 1993; 1996 to 1999; and 2001 to early 2003. With the exception of these periods gold and equities have moved in the same direction. Usually one has outperformed the other, but the direction has been the same.

Gold price chart

Since 2003, gold and the SP500 have moved in the same direction. They have risen and fallen together with the fluctuations of the global financial markets.

Until last November that is. Over the last three months they have decoupled.

In summer 2011, they decoupled briefly - as is shown by the blue box in the chart below. Gold soared as equities tanked amidst panic over Europe. But they soon got back in tandem.

Since November however, gold and equities have decoupled. As stock markets have soared, gold has sold off.

Gold price chart 

I'm not yet sure what I draw from this. In the short term, of course, it indicates people are selling gold and buying equities. But what are the long-term implications? If equities carry on rising, will gold get back in tandem? If stock markets sell off, will gold sell off by even more? Or will it stay in opposition? Will the money that leaves equities as those markets sell off make its way into gold?

It remains to be seen how this will play out - but it is a development that warrants attention.

We all know the fundamentals for gold - even if the market is not currently delivering on them. They haven't changed. Governments are debasing their money and gold ‘should’ be the go-to asset in such an environment. (By the way, this is something that the virtual currency Bitcoin is proving to be. This alternative money is rising quickly in value – up some 500% in the past year as far as I can make out).

For now, gold remains in its multi-year consolidation pattern. But it looks like a defining re-test of that key area of support may be just around the corner. I will of course be updating you with my thoughts as this dramatic re-test unfolds. In the meantime hold onto your gold but also your hats – the next phase of the ride promises to be interesting.  

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  • 1. JP

    (20 February 2013, 10:55AM)  Complain about this comment

    How's your "big leveraged bet on gold" coming along Dominic?

  • 2. SimonR73

    (20 February 2013, 11:00AM)  Complain about this comment

    With Sterling being so weak at the moment im not selling, i earn money in sterling so have to judge it on that basis, if the pound recovers dramatically then i may have to change positions but i dont see that happening anytime soon, the financial world needs a remedy that hasnt been found, its like finding the cure for cancer, there may be a soloution but nobody has discovered it.

  • 3. Changing Man

    (20 February 2013, 11:01AM)  Complain about this comment

    With hindsight, perhaps the Money Week headline in November 2012 should have read" Is now the time to sell gold"? After 3 strong peaks at the same upper level it looks obvious now? I'm not wishing to appear smart after the event but I was hoping for greater forward insight from MW! The constant support of gold and gold miners from your "resident gold expert" against a backdrop of doom- mongering editorials and special reports has lost me a lot of money and in my mind a lot of credibility for Money Week.

  • 4. Mark

    (20 February 2013, 11:06AM)  Complain about this comment

    Good article Dominic. Over the years and due to your influence I have slowly accumulated a decent gold and silver position. My stance is that I will not sell any gold and silver until and unless I absolutely have to. Reading the signs, I think gold may test $1550 but firmly believe, as governments race to the bottom, the savvy ones will be ready when gold roars past $2000.

  • 5. Jeremy Fry

    (20 February 2013, 11:08AM)  Complain about this comment

    Game's up.

    Investors Chronicle (big bulls in gold & silver) today also running a big article saying the run is probably over; the miners never caught up and now they never will. QE & a smidgeon of growth have cooked the insurance metals' goose......

  • 6. Goldbug

    (20 February 2013, 11:08AM)  Complain about this comment

    Hi Dom
    Hope you are correct, still holding onto my hat and have been since I purchased a substantial amount of gold most at $1740 in June 2011. Never cashed in any profit yet, so its now worth at least £5k less than I paid!! At least the banks haven't stolen all the cash, or maybe their tactics are driving the gold value down ??
    Could people just be selling gold to buy stocks & shares ?
    Let me know when it's time to take the last loss hit and get out.

  • 7. Pete L

    (20 February 2013, 11:09AM)  Complain about this comment

    How wonderfully contrarian to your contrarian principles at MW! As the world seems to be buying equities on the strength of central bank economic support, that is a reason for gold losing its attraction.
    But then reading your much promoted wealth preservation strategy we are only an interest rate hike away from financial armageddon. Perhaps reading between the lines, this is the start of a buying opportunity?

  • 8. Crazy Tony

    (20 February 2013, 11:10AM)  Complain about this comment

    Smart money already mostly out of Gold. When all the speculators sell should see some huge falls. I dont see why Gold is different to every other asset price bubble... but we are constantly told it is a new currency etc etc

  • 9. Porkydawky

    (20 February 2013, 11:10AM)  Complain about this comment

    Well then if even Dominic is about to give up this must be the bottom!

    You just have to re-examine the fundamentals and take a look at gold in some other currency charts and remember that gold & silver have been currencies retaining their for at least 5000 years.

    1)Do you think the politicians can fix the mess we are in?
    2)Do you trust them with your currency?
    3)Bolivars or gold?

    The paper machinations will pass. The metal will remain, as will it's relative value. Stay the course or lose your wealth in paper, in fact BUY some more metal with that soon to be flushed toilet paper.


  • 10. JP

    (20 February 2013, 11:11AM)  Complain about this comment

    Boom - gold has just broken $1,600 this morning so looks like that re-test of $1,550 / $1,525 will be happening sooner rather than later. In the meantime, gold equities will continue to get killed until this resolves itself. Perhaps best to stay out of the market unless you have a strong tolerance for pain?

  • 11. IJ

    (20 February 2013, 11:18AM)  Complain about this comment

    My (highly subjective) take on gold sentiment is that it's really not that bearish at all, and we're nowhere near any kind of capitulation low. The way I gauge it is by reading things like broker research and the comments section on various financial blogs. These suggest there are plenty of bulls left, and many of them are not the types you really want as your "coinvestors". I also look at the price chart. If sentiment on gold were so bearish, why is the gold price still more than double what it was at Lehman lows? Such stellar gains suggest gold has become a speculative asset par excellence. The factors / fears that have underpinned the rally are falling by the wayside. Central Banks have fought off deflation and inflation is nowhere to be seen... yet. This Goldilocks-type scenario is gold bulls' worst nightmare.

  • 12. MikeP

    (20 February 2013, 11:20AM)  Complain about this comment

    OK, we all know that markets can stay irrational longer than we can stay solvent....But, how @#5 how can the game be up when the fundamentals are still so out of kilter and at 300-yr abnormalities? You suggest QE and a 'smidgeon' of growth have cooked the insurance metals' goose. Well, what is our alternative insurance to be, when deflation/defaults/depression is still the order of the day?

    How can we rely on (i.e. use as our 'insurance') more of the same paper-printing, with ever-higher deficits & debts as the solution to our economic malaise, when this is what all caused the original problem. I think PMs are still the best, tried&tested 'insurance' around, to protect from the financial mismanagement, incompetence & greed of our masters.

  • 13. Drums

    (20 February 2013, 11:24AM)  Complain about this comment

    Only maybe a month ago you were saying that you were a huge bull re gold. Now it is dire times.

    This proves yet again that technical analysis or charting is a complete waste of time in a manipulated market.

    I will maintain my significant gold and silver positions based on fundermental analysis. The reason being that the world economic ''recovery'' is based on debt and it cannot be payed back.

    Will this be a wild ride in the gold market. You bet it will be.

  • 14. MichaelL

    (20 February 2013, 11:27AM)  Complain about this comment

    "By the way, this is something that the virtual currency Bitcoin is proving to be"

    Complete rubbish.

    Just look at an historic chart. Its speculative, not secure- exchanges have been hacked - and not liquid.

  • 15. Derek Tilsly

    (20 February 2013, 11:35AM)  Complain about this comment

    Gold rush is over, don't get caught out folks, and don't forget about Dominics vested interest in desperately trying to keep people thinking that the only way is up for Gold, all bubbles burst and now it's Gold's turn, silver will also fall off the back of it.

  • 16. Quatermass

    (20 February 2013, 11:41AM)  Complain about this comment

    I'd be lying if I said I wasn't jittery, but I do take some comfort from the fact that certain gold bulls predicted these falls a while back. Jim Rogers, for one, thinks a correction this year would be good for gold in the long run; and in one of Dominic's own podcasts, Jonathan Davis forecast a fall to $1,400 or even $1,200, with a subsequent rise to $3,600 in the next few years.

    In sterling terms, the price remains steadfastly in the £1,035-£1,050 area (which is some comfort to me, as I started buying when it was about £350). Remember too that in 2008, when the dollar was on a tear, the price of gold in pounds actually went up.

  • 17. smlaing

    (20 February 2013, 12:08PM)  Complain about this comment

    Gold is a fear based investment. And there is absolutely no fear in the market. The Fed is 3 months in to Q-infinity and this will continue to support equities. Right now there is no downside. Confidence is high and we're back at the races. The chances of a break down into the 1400's for Gold is extremely high. We could see a waterfall back to 1200.

    I envisage that CB's will pump so much money into the system that it can't fail to work. By then the banks and hedge funds will own most 0f the assets.....then the wall of money will hit the street and "bang" the velocity willl explode!

    Gold will prevail eventually, but it'll need balls of steel and a long wait.

  • 18. sparky

    (20 February 2013, 12:19PM)  Complain about this comment

    The rise in gold is similar to the rise in Apple shares and both ar on the decline at the same time. Overvalued.
    At almost $60 million per tonne that's too much for a commodity when compared with copper, tin or wheat.
    The speculators have worked out there is not much more mileage in the price and it might even be (heaven forbid!) that some countries are quietly selling off some of their stock.

  • 19. SP

    (20 February 2013, 12:23PM)  Complain about this comment

    For U.K. investors it is the Gold price in GB Pounds you need to be watching not the price in U.S. Dollars. After a quick check on the 24hour.com website , Gold is up 1.45% YTD against the GP Pound, while Silver is up 1,90% YTD. Forget about the price in Dollar terms it is the GB Pound that is currently on the slide.

  • 20. mike mtd

    (20 February 2013, 12:48PM)  Complain about this comment

    China aint selling.
    Q. who is selling physical? as in, anybody?

  • 21. LesW

    (20 February 2013, 01:07PM)  Complain about this comment

    What is rarely spoken about this side of the pond, is the unabated manipulation of gold. All the while central Banks are buying gold hand over fist. Countries are also buying and stock piling as fast as they can.
    The fed appears to be the main culprit along with their proxies in the price suppression and indeed the spreading of gold doom and gloom. Why, because it makes paper money less valuable, which of course is counter to their aims of keeping populations tried to that worthless system.
    We hear much doom and gloom about American debt , they can only debt, which is so big it will NEVER be paid, it will lead to disaster for the US and the world monetary system. Countries like China, Russia, India, Iran etc know this, gold as currency is here now, it will replace the dollar in the future. The printers of paper have much to fear, gold will become King again.

  • 22. Aff

    (20 February 2013, 01:19PM)  Complain about this comment

    Its not easy to ride a bull, it will try to throw you off. I'm grimly hanging in there. It is quite a neat trick to keep all the new money going into equities and none into precious metals! How long can they keep pumping new money into the economy without any of it finding its way into PMs? It can't last. When the pm's reignite it will be quite something to behold.

    On another note good to see bitcoins getting a mention. Its an extremely interesting bull run they are on right now. About to break the 2011 high any time. And 1 bitcoin is now worth more than 1 ounce silver.

  • 23. SWINDLES

    (20 February 2013, 01:22PM)  Complain about this comment

    Is the fall in precious metals mining stocks sympomatic in the fall in gold and silver prices?

  • 24. SWINDLES

    (20 February 2013, 01:22PM)  Complain about this comment

    Is the fall in precious metals mining stocks sympomatic in the fall in gold and silver prices?

  • 25. Goldbug44

    (20 February 2013, 01:33PM)  Complain about this comment

    Will all the bears and naysayers please just read the definitive
    work on this subject,namely:-"Currency Wars", by Prof. Jim Rickards.

    This points to where the gold price is heading in a few year's time.

    (and Yes, he did coin the phrase LONG before all other economists,
    pundits,journos and so-called economists)

  • 26. Black Swan

    (20 February 2013, 01:33PM)  Complain about this comment

    Truth is:

    -none know how low gold can go in algo-driven markets
    -nowt fundamentally solved recovery-wise
    -still a huge western debt burden
    -globally banks are still very precarious despite hype
    -still a whole ton of interest-rate-sensitive derivatives held by banks
    -no viable soln to the problem
    -post 2008 gold IS fundamentally a fear-driven asset
    -latest equity surge is a QE fuelled bear-trap bounce off post ’08 lows

    All short-termers calling for gold bull end didn’t buy at $500/oz. Those that did will not lose sleep over current price action. They will recognise the end of the bull as at the start of it & if that comes to pass they may just sell their insurance at a mild profit. However current odds favour a long term higher price.

    Just wait for the next shoe drop and gold will turn on a dime whether it be at $1000. Western CBs are buying hand over fist not to mention the Asians.

    Role on the next panic phase!

  • 27. IJ

    (20 February 2013, 01:50PM)  Complain about this comment

    Comments like 6 and 24 should have other bulls worried. According to the article, sentiment on gold is at a bearish extreme. Yet there are those clinging onto gold for dear life and giving themselves names like Goldbug, blaming the fall in prices on government conspiracy. Imagine if this article was about a stock , and posters called themselves things like VodafoneJunkie or StillInBedWithMicrosoft. Even after euphoria on Apple reached fever pitch and the stock commenced its slide, i don't recall seeing anyone posting comments with names like AppleLover. And nobody was blaming the collapse in the share price on conspiracies either.

  • 28. Ellen

    (20 February 2013, 01:55PM)  Complain about this comment

    I'm keeping my powder dry for now - I suspect some price surpression and manipulation at work here to cover short positions held by some big players. Nothing has really changed in the world of devaluation and debt, despite the equities hype.

    If anything, it raises suspicions about collusion among the world's financial leaders if financial repression is the plan for western economies.

  • 29. expert007

    (20 February 2013, 02:01PM)  Complain about this comment

    Another completely pointless article from MW, the price of any asset needs to be considered against the currency you pay for it. For example gold is UP 15% against JPY and DOWN 9% against EUR. In GBP terms -.17% in 6 months. If you want to trade gold in USD its a play against the dollar and the macro environment in the US. So if this article is named correctly is would be "is this the end of the line for gold in dollars?" or another idea would be "is this the start of the line for gold in JPY?". It is simply a reference asset for various currency strengths.

  • 30. JREwing

    (20 February 2013, 02:09PM)  Complain about this comment

    This is what happens when you spend your whole life looking at charts.

  • 31. Jimmy O'Goblin

    (20 February 2013, 02:35PM)  Complain about this comment

    Dear All,

    I hope the link below will help some of you gold fans to sleep easier this evening.

    This pull-back was entirely expected. I have been waiting patiently to increase my gold holding for a couple of years now... and still waiting.

    As already mentioned, with sterling plummeting, the price will not reduce as much for us as it should for our American cousins.

    It's all about inflationary expectations - dear old Mervyn King was trying desperately to raise our inflation expectations last week. We need inflation, as does the USA, or we're dead.

    Best wishes,
    JOG (some people are on the pitch....they think it's all over....it's NOT now).

    PS Do you think George Soros has dumped his paper ETF for the real stuff?

    http://www.uncommonwisdomdaily.com/be-ready-to-pull-the-trigger-when-15658

  • 32. JimW

    (20 February 2013, 02:41PM)  Complain about this comment

    Nice to know that Dominic is flexible in his position. All the naysayers should remember the saying DYOR (Do Your Own Research) before investing.

    I get the idea of gold being a store of value when currency values are in decline. Problem is that the people in government know that as well. That is why I'm a little wary of directly investing in gold.

    Also anyone want to bet that if gold does fall that central banks will start to stock up?

  • 33. Black Swan

    (20 February 2013, 03:06PM)  Complain about this comment


    the problem with inflation is that it will kick off the defaults if we get too much, and tank the economy.
    the problem with deflation is that it will stagnate and tank the economy.

    Probably stagflation as we get a bit of both-pushing on a string

    Global economies are in between a rock and a hard place and the only common outcome is pain upon which gold rises either way!

  • 34. IJ

    (20 February 2013, 03:08PM)  Complain about this comment

    @ 32. I would rather bet that central banks will sell their gold right at the bottom and that will be the time to buy again.

  • 35. Ben Dover for Taxes

    (20 February 2013, 03:48PM)  Complain about this comment

    I don't think Gold will become a standard again for the same reason that it isn’t one now...politicians cannot manipulate it – You cannot mislead people if they have a fixed reference. I will hold it a bit longer as it is driven by fear; let’s see what happens in Italy?

    DF’s 180 is a surprise and I have my suspicions as to why but regardless, I remain a subscriber as MW has closer ties to the market manipulators than I do and as logic and common sense are not part of our world anymore we need to know what direction the 'insiders' are likely to take - I agree with Bill Bonner – There are Insiders and Outsiders and I’m not on the inside! MW taken as a whole has performed well over the last 5 years which isn't bad in what is a manipulated and knee jerk climate

  • 36. Douglas Capon

    (20 February 2013, 04:40PM)  Complain about this comment

    Anyone would think you are writing for an American audience - why don't you talk to us about commodity prices in £s?

  • 37. Boris MacDonut

    (20 February 2013, 04:55PM)  Complain about this comment

    Did any reader take Dom' up on his Xmas offer of a silver ounce if Gold breached $1520 before it breached $1800? Today it hit $1580, down 11% on the year.
    Italy is selling some of the 12% of the World Gold Reserves it owns. It can only get ugly from here.

  • 38. Changing Man

    (20 February 2013, 05:05PM)  Complain about this comment

    I don't believe it! MW's resident gold expert has found a "new investment opportunity" - the "Supply Kings" of gold mining and the publisher of MW is still emailing us with insights such as " And with so many investors piling into the gold market right now – whether that's central banks, governments, pension funds or private investors – that's an immensely strong position to be in. "
    Isn't it time to read your own magazine and tweak the message Mr. Bray?

  • 39. Jimmy O'Goblin

    (20 February 2013, 05:11PM)  Complain about this comment

    Boris@37,
    No I didn't take up the DF silver ounce give away. Pity, really, but I just didn't have the heart...being that it was Christmas.

    It makes sense for Italy to sell some gold....Germans telling them to sell for some time now....to help pay back some national debt while the going's good.

    Maybe the Germans will buy it off them. The new German currency, when it comes, will be backed by gold. They will probably wait, though, and get it cheaper tomorrow.

    Regards

    JOG.

  • 40. Malkovich

    (20 February 2013, 05:28PM)  Complain about this comment

    If you invest by charts Domonic then you'd better have a set of rules and follow them. If your rules tell you to get out, then do so.

    For me, the fundamentals have not changed. Gold is the only money. To those on here scoffing at the term manipulation, why are you so naive? Of course governments are manipulating the 'paper' gold price. Gold is money - that's why Central Banks around the world hold tonnes of it. They have been manipulating the fiat currencies in plain view in the last few years by QE, and by other such forms of counterfeiting, why on earth would you think they would stop there?

    It is quite clear the dollar standard is irretrievably broken, US debt can never be repaid and the Chinese et al are not going to put up with that for too much longer. A new gold standard is coming whether we like it or not (at a price many times higher than it is today).

    I hold.

  • 41. Beta adjusted

    (20 February 2013, 06:13PM)  Complain about this comment

    Thanks ... check out business insider article today. I have not had a chance to read properly but they were suggesting real interest rates are increasing again? think still -ve. What are your thoughts?

    Thanks

  • 42. Malkovich

    (20 February 2013, 06:43PM)  Complain about this comment

    #41

    Yes, the central proposition is correct with regard to negative interest rates being good for gold. However, interest rates are currently effectively zero and many independent analysts have calculated that the real level of inflation (without using the dubious tools of substitution, weighting and hedonics) is far higher than currently reported. We all known this to be true, we all know our money buys a lot less now than a year ago. The Fed can't increase rates as it will make the US bankrupt in the actual sense rather than just the accounting sense, as it is now.

    That's my take anyway.

  • 43. Black Swan

    (20 February 2013, 07:24PM)  Complain about this comment

    @41 & 42
    Interest rates real or otherwise have to rise. ZIRP and bond market manipulations, like the FED's Operation Twist, can only be short term in nature. Bernanke and all the other rate setters are like King Canute trying to hold back the tide. It will work only for so long before real market forces reassert themselves.

    I am surprised they have managed to hold them down this long but that's what oceans of QE can do. Wait for the bond vigilantes to step in once they smell blood. The FED already buys more of its own treasuries than it issues-amazing! Talk about the snake eating its own tail! Such policies won't end well.

    Not sure how neg rates are good for gold? Can u comment Malk?

  • 44. Devonian

    (20 February 2013, 07:34PM)  Complain about this comment

    Dominic are you heeding your own advice? At the Moneyweek Conference in 2011 you listed 6 long-term targets any one of which could indicate "When to sell your gold". As far as I am aware, not one has yet been reached. Why do you not refer to these targets in your article? The targets are 1) Dow to gold (in US$) ratio of 2:1 or lower 2) Fewer than 100 ounces of gold buys the average UK house 3) US gold value equals value of US debt 4) End of negative real interest rates 5) Fiscal sanity returns 6) UK government buys gold. The other sound (in my opinion) commentators such as Jim Sinclair, Jim Rogers, Marc Faber and Eric Sprott subscribe to some or all of your targets so why are you no longer touting them? You seem to be blowing in the wind. Where is your resolve?

  • 45. Black Swan

    (20 February 2013, 08:43PM)  Complain about this comment

    @44
    he's panicking like everyone else who doesnt understand gold

  • 46. Malkovich

    (20 February 2013, 09:33PM)  Complain about this comment

    @43

    Negative real interest rates are generally good for gold because in such an environment cash becomes devalued. This has been borne out by much historical analysis. You are much better off moving cash into gold if inflation is high and especially if rates are significantly lower.

    Yes, rates can only go up from here but they are desperate and will continue to create money to buy bonds for as long as they possibly can.

  • 47. Colin Selig-Smith

    (20 February 2013, 09:50PM)  Complain about this comment

    Wouldn't worry too much about it. The market is just about to tell the Federal Reserve what it thinks of idea that liquidity might be withdrawn at some vague future date. Some buying opportunities coming up.

    More importantly those in GBP are getting hammered as well. That is a substantially larger proportion of the population. Inflation will follow. I have to say though it's rather annoying that both GBP and gold are falling simultaneously, it reduces buying power.

  • 48. Colin Selig-Smith

    (20 February 2013, 10:21PM)  Complain about this comment

    p.s. gold is almost unchanged in pounds.

  • 49. gold shorter

    (20 February 2013, 11:04PM)  Complain about this comment

    Gold was a bubble, with all those coin sellers selling to the dumb masses and taking a nice commission.
    Now gold takes it up the ass as the pro players dump their paper and only the oblivious naive gold bugs go long and hit the stop loss next day.

  • 50. PG

    (21 February 2013, 01:37AM)  Complain about this comment

    The bull tries to shake you off.
    It succeeds with the weak hands.
    Look at the price action from the 70s before the final blow-off rally.
    So, sell as much as you like. I'll be buying at $1,250.
    This is the long game and the greatest bull market.

  • 51. Tuesday

    (21 February 2013, 10:30AM)  Complain about this comment

    MW has promoted gold as a hedge for a long time but this is the start of it hedging its bet. Can't be an easy position for Dominic to have taken, personally or professionally, so good for him (although not so good for those who took his advice** perhaps).

    Will MW still be predicting financial armageddon and trumpeting its past lucky guesses in its new sales pitch?

    **DOES MW give advice btw? It says not in the small print but all the "Get out of this doomed currency now!" headlines etc sounded like advice!

  • 52. IJ

    (21 February 2013, 10:51AM)  Complain about this comment

    See. The comments on this thread are on aggregate hardly indicative of an asset that people have given up on. Just the sheer number of comments should be enough to drive this point home. Try writing a piece about, say, European utilities and see how many comments you get.

  • 53. Peter

    (21 February 2013, 11:15AM)  Complain about this comment

    Oh looks like another buying opportunity is coming up, first started buying Gold nearly a decade ago.

    Are the reasons why I first bought gold for changed? No they have become stronger

    Easy money...

  • 54. JohnnyC

    (21 February 2013, 11:35AM)  Complain about this comment

    As I have said before why worry about the price of gold in USD.
    It has fallen 8% in the past year and risen 9% in the past 2 years.

    We invest in GBP and the numbers contrast sharply.
    Fall of just 4% in the past 12 months and a rise of 17% in the past two years. Not a bad return in my opinion.

    The contrast between GBP and USD shows that we should always hold some to protect against incompetent Chancellors and especially Central Bank Governors.

  • 55. Alan

    (21 February 2013, 02:18PM)  Complain about this comment

    Ah yes, the same Dominic Frisby with the book on gold and "highly leveraged bet on gold" that Moneyweek is pushing.

    Before even reading this article it was easy to guess the content. A bit of a Dad's Army "don't panic".

    btw I will definitely continue to hold my gold and silver and I will dive in if and when it goes to 1200 or less - the miners already look tempting. It's only down 2-3% in pound terms though!

  • 56. optimus prime

    (21 February 2013, 04:04PM)  Complain about this comment

    if you are stuck in a desert you are better off with a container of water than a bag full of gold. we often take things for granted until we need it the most. its time to make a run on gold.. the gold rush is just not worth it salt for now.

  • 57. Chris

    (21 February 2013, 08:39PM)  Complain about this comment

    Could people be quietly selling out of paper gold whilst holding on to physical gold? There currently dosen't appear to be any market mechanism for differntiating between the two. What's the waiting list for bullion?

  • 58. MarketWorth

    (22 February 2013, 12:40AM)  Complain about this comment

    Good point Chris : we definitely need to differentiate between paper gold and physical gold.

    Prices are far too easy to manipulate if you can trade paper for gold. ETFs can be created at will, gold can't.

  • 59. Cesare Avanzini

    (22 February 2013, 06:49PM)  Complain about this comment

    How comes Mw, advised to buy and buy gold, suggesting it could reach usd3.000 or more at oz? They did not knew that Soros and otehr clever Hedge Funds Managers sold 50% or even 100% of their positions in Gold well before end 2012?
    MW lost is credibility and can give the doubt that the advice to buy gold was suggested to give a favor to them who sold it or was jsut a very big mistake?who knows? only MW can reply to this doubt..

  • 60. Aff

    (22 February 2013, 08:15PM)  Complain about this comment

    59. I think Soros sold his paper gold from the GLD etf didn't he. How do you know he isn't quietly stocking up on the phys?

  • 61. MarketWorth

    (23 February 2013, 12:17AM)  Complain about this comment

    @Aff : I do think the same. Chances are Soros and his likes are piling up on physical.

    Their move to sell GLD was well known since they advised people to buy it in the days before. No kidding. They really did that.

  • 62. Ed

    (24 February 2013, 07:00PM)  Complain about this comment

    it is very hard to read anything into what soros does, he trades in and out of positions quickly, he actually hadn't held GLD for very long, he probably just saw it as a short term trade, didnt he say in 2011 that gold was the ultimate bubble. I think you have to look on Gold as an investment like any other and not to fall in love with it, it has been an incredible bull market for last decade

  • 63. Grahame

    (26 February 2013, 07:07PM)  Complain about this comment

    I am buying precious metals. Not because I hope to make a killing, but because money is dying. Zero Rates + Deliberate Inflation = Governmental Desperation (note the "mental" bit). I am also buying coffee and gas (nice low price now) and other real things. This is a very long term (until death) thing for me. Real stuff goes up as money goes down - there are no exeptions.

  • 64. Jack Adams

    (06 March 2013, 11:58AM)  Complain about this comment

    Re 3. Changing Man

    Strange how people like to put the boot in after years of taking advantage of the right advice. If you want to believe in infallible advice then join a cult in India and spend your days dancing around a fire singing praises to the moon.

    We can't see any value in moving our gold elsewhere. Surely the US and Europe have to inflate, hyper-inflate that borrowing away.

    We'll stick for now but that Bitcoin mention has had us rushing off to Wikipedia (it is an Open Source initiative) and the idea of a digital currency that is not under the control of governments (yet) or central banks when paper currencies are turning to ash is quite an attractive idea.

  • 65. Boris MacDonut

    (15 April 2013, 05:17PM)  Complain about this comment

    7 weeks from your prediction Dom and we are staring at $1390.

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