Are Apple shares still a great investment?

By Phil Oakley Aug 23, 2012

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Apple shares just seem to keep going up and have increased by over 80% during the last year. Virtually every Wall Street analyst is a buyer. Some commentators talk of Apple having a market value of $1trn one day.

But can the good times continue?

Only if Apple can keep its customers happy and fend off its competition without cutting prices. And here, history is not on its side.

Great products and great profits

Apple is a phenomenon. It has a range of products in the form of iPhones, iPads and Mac computers that customers love. Across the world people have been buying its products in droves and Apple’s profits and share price have soared.

Apple is a staggeringly profitable business. During the last year its operating income has been nearly $36bn on a net capital investment of just over $12bn - giving it a return on investment of nearly 300%!

In many industries, returns like this would attract companies into the market and they would be competed away. Why isn’t this happening?

Apple share price chart

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Because most of its competition cannot copy what Apple is doing. So far, Apple has succeeded in selling products that seamlessly link up with each other with innovative new features. But things can change.

Can the iPhone fend off competition?

Take the smartphone market. Nokia has been slow to enter this market and has backed the wrong type of technology in Windows. HTC has struggled to grow despite having what many experts saw as a good product. But is the iPhone still a long-term winner from here?

It could be but the market is very interesting. The fact that Apple and Samsung are embroiled in a legal battle over smartphone patents is quite revealing. Samsung is making some good phones such as the Galaxy S III which is a good competitor to the iPhone, especially outside America. Is Apple relying on the courts to protect itself against Samsung?

Then there is Google. At the moment, its interest in the smartphone market is with its Android operating system. Phones with Android are actually outselling the iPhone globally. Developers like its open platform and the phones do most of the things an iPhone can. On top of that they are also cheaper.

An iPhone 4S costs about £500 (before phone companies discount them) whereas Samsung’s Galaxy SIII comes in at about £440. In many Asian markets where the iPhone is out of reach for many consumers, there are lots of cheap Android phones but no cheap Apple ones.

But does Google make much money out of Android?

Making money out of mobile advertising is not easy. If you look at Apple, you’d say that selling handsets is the way to go. This is where Google could threaten Apple. It bought the Motorola phone business and could use this to make a Google phone with its highly rated Chrome operating system.

The other potential concern on the iPhone is how long will mobile phone companies – particularly US ones - keep spending money keeping it affordable for customers?

The iPhone has been great for them, as people have wanted this 'must-have' product. But mobile operators - not Apple – have had to spend money to keep these products affordable. With revenues under pressure due to falling call rates, will they keep doing this? If they don’t, then will Apple sell as many iPhones?

The tablet market looks less competitive

The competitive landscape in tablets looks easier for Apple. No one is really taking on its iPad. Samsung has had a go whilst the Kindle Fire is not really taking off. The iPad looks like it has become an iconic brand, and for many young people it is their idea of a computer.


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How long can Apple defy the economics of consumer electronics?

Arguably one of the key reasons behind Apple’s success is its ability to keep innovating without cutting prices. Most consumer electronics products fall in price. That’s why the companies that make them always want you to upgrade to the latest model. Apple has been very good at doing this.

Five years ago, an entry-level iMac computer would cost you about £1,000 in the UK. Now, you get a better computer but it still costs about the same.

iPhone revenue per unit chart

iPad revenue per unit chart

But how long can Apple keep doing this?

As you can see, the iPhone’s achieved revenue per unit has been quite resilient. However, Apple is getting $116 less for each iPad than it was a year ago. That’s fine if it’s costing less to make them. But it’s a potential profit problem if they are not or it can’t sell more of them.

That’s why the stock market gets excited about new products such as the iPhone 5 or Apple TV. It thinks that Apple can wave its magic wand and bring out another money-making product that keeps profits growing.

Common sense suggests that there are limits to how long any company can keep doing this. In Apple TV, Apple will have to take on the might of the cable operators. Will people want to buy what will probably be an expensive box when their cable operator will give them one for virtually nothing?

The TV market is different to computers and mobile phones. Content is much more important to people. Apple has the firepower to buy lots of content but it’s going to be more difficult to see the company dominating here.

Are Apple shares overvalued now?

We’ve been positive on Apple shares so far this year. We thought they looked good value in January at $420. In April at $560, we were a bit more nervous but thought the shares were not ridiculously valued. On both occasions, you could have bought the shares for less than ten times profits when you adjusted for the huge pile of cash.

The competitive landscape can change quickly with technology companies. Now, with a market value of $627bin and $117bn of cash, based on expect net profits of $41.3bn the shares are more highly rated at 12.3 times cash adjusted profits ($510/$41.3).

This is not silly by any means but given the need to keep producing blockbuster products every year, we think it’s a good time to take some profits.

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  • 1. Sach

    (24 August 2012, 11:01AM)  Complain about this comment

    You are looking at profit of $41.3bn - is that for FY2012 ?


    As well as that, should you not be looking at future profits to arrive at a possible future share price ? Current share price relates normally to earnings in the future.

    With iPhone5 and the (rumored) iPad mini, FY13 EPS could be at least $60 - so even at PE13, we could see $780 12 months from now ....

    Thoughts ?

  • 2. Barkingmad

    (24 August 2012, 11:39AM)  Complain about this comment

    "Developers like its open platform and the phones do most of the things an iPhone can."

    Some developers may appreciate it's open platform as it allows them to do things Apple would not allow - but perhaps there is a good reason for that. Also developers love the Apple platform as it's been shown that Android users typically spend very little on apps etc. compared to Apple users.

    Realistically developers love both platforms as both are huge markets.

  • 3. Barkingmad

    (24 August 2012, 11:45AM)  Complain about this comment

    Apple shares are still relatively cheap - they trade on a lower PE than many similar companies - especially when you take the cash out of the equation. The difference is Apple are still growing rapidly and have many options for new products and services - personally think they are currently undervalued still but think as long as the iPhone 5 launch goes well they should push through $700-750+ quite soon.

    I'd like to see a subscription media service for music, TV programs and films - would take a lot but if anyone could do it Apple have the reach and cash.

  • 4. Phil Oakley

    (24 August 2012, 11:45AM)  Complain about this comment

    Hi Sach,

    Yes, $41.3bn is for FY 2012.

    You should look at future profits. I've no idea what Apple will earn in five or ten years. If it does what it has in the past and keeps on making great products and keeps its premium prices the there's a good chance profits will be higher than they are now.

    If profits grow and the stock market thinks they will keep growing then the scenario you have described could happen. My caution would be misplaced.

    I just think Apple is at an interesting point in its history. It has proved the naysayers wrong so far. Will lots of people upgrade to Iphone 5, how much will they sell Ipad minis for? What will the competition do? I don't know but I always think it's useful for investors to keep asking questions, especially when the shares have performed really well.

    Best wishes

    Phil

  • 5. Peter B

    (24 August 2012, 12:10PM)  Complain about this comment

    Regarding smart phones, Android market share is over 50% now with Apple at 25%. The Samsung Galaxy S3 does more things than the iPhone and is far less restrictive as well as having better hardware than the iPhone 5 will have. People are realising Apple profiteers, with yesterday's technology at tomorrow's prices. iPhone's USP is ease of use, which as people are becoming technically better with Smartphones, means it's less important than it was. iTunes also makes it difficult to migrate away from Apple integration once you are invested.
    Apple has had its day, I'm afraid. In 5 years time, they'll have to price lower or improve their hardware to keep up with Android device competition that steadily gets better and better. The iPad is the next market that will be hit by Android hardware. The Asus Transformer 700T is the first Android device that is a genuine iPad beater. More will come and Samsung will lead the way.
    Sell Apple, buy Samsung, Microsoft.

  • 6. Sach

    (24 August 2012, 12:24PM)  Complain about this comment


    See this link from Horace Dediu at Asymco : http://www.asymco.com/2012/08/21/the-interlopers/

    iPhone is a BIGGER business than Microsoft and Google ! Question is if and when iPad can overtake them too .....

    Also see Horace's take on how many iPhone 5's will be sold :
    http://www.asymco.com/2012/08/06/how-many-of-the-next-generation-of-iphone-will-be-sold/

    Disclosure : I'm LONG AAPL

  • 7. Sach

    (24 August 2012, 12:27PM)  Complain about this comment

    Peter B: Yes, Samsung may sell more units, but who makes more profits ?

    Again from Horace at Asymco ::
    http://www.asymco.com/2012/05/03/the-phone-market-in-2012-a-tale-of-two-disruptions/

  • 8. Peter B

    (24 August 2012, 01:24PM)  Complain about this comment

    @ Sach - my point is, the Apple share price is based on profit projections based on increasing sales and continued large margins. I believe this will change. People are wising up to facts like a 32GB micro SD card costs £8 (retail) to expand an Android device yet Apple want £80 extra for 16GB more memory in an iPhone 4S.
    Either Apple will need to up their game on their hardware specs, or reduce the price of hardware to start with. Either way, this is not good for their profits. If they do neither they'll continue to lose market share. The fact that they have teams of lawyers permanently hammering Samsung over patent infringements, which they usually lose, proves the point. It's especially hypocritical given the amount of features in each iOs upgrade that are robbed from Android.
    Apple used to be a cool brand in the smart phone arena, but people in the know are increasingly viewing Apple iPhone fans as fashion victims or technically inept people with more money than sense.

  • 9. Alastair

    (24 August 2012, 05:02PM)  Complain about this comment

    Great tech gadgets start out as iconic and drift down to being commodity items. Apple have rolled out a sequence but getting to the next one in the sequence is always a stretch and always inspiration on top of perspiration.

    The tablet format is already a commodity with 7 inch models down to 80quid from a range of suppliers. So what will Apples new iconic product going to be? Will they come up with something of inspiration and quality without SJ to guide things?

    As an equity: the potential upside is mediocre, the potential downside is considerable. As a large market slice of NASDAQ: Apple shares will to some extent follow the market tide. Market indices feel high right now so may ebb.

  • 10. Sach

    (26 August 2012, 09:25AM)  Complain about this comment

    PeterB :: Apple wins BIG TIME over patent infringements - Apple innovates, Android copies! Clear victory for those people who put sweat, blood and tears into their innovative efforts ....

    Let's see how this pans out for share price over coming weeks especially with rumoured iphone5 and iPad mini on its way .... 650-ish will be new floor in FY13. This is based on EPS of 50 (conservatively) and PE of 13 - Wall Street will not allow PE to climb too high ...

  • 11. ricardo

    (28 August 2012, 10:23AM)  Complain about this comment

    Well it's all very well having that huge pile of cash - largely locked up overseas, away form the US tax-man - but do they pay a dividend ? And if so, how often ?

  • 12. Barkingmad

    (29 August 2012, 02:41PM)  Complain about this comment

    @ricardo - Yes they are just about to - "a quarterly dividend of $2.65 per share".

  • 13. Barkingmad

    (29 August 2012, 02:49PM)  Complain about this comment

    With Apple's courtroom 'win' against Samsung I think it will harm Android and probably help Microsoft (Windows Phone) and Nokia (as early developer of Windows Phone).

  • 14. Peter B

    (25 April 2013, 01:31PM)  Complain about this comment

    Well it looks like my crystal ball was working - @ Sach - $650 the new floor in 2013 ... :) The Apple crumble has started. iPhone 5 is now discounted to reasonable prices in contracts. Good for the consumer - bad for Apple's profits. Ultimately the market is becoming more educated and that is bad for Apple profits as either they cut prices and increase specs, or suffer a continued to lose market share. If they are unlucky, they will go the way of Nokia and Blackberry/RIM.

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