Nanny is watching you

By Tom Bulford May 01, 2012

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My weekend was going well - calm and peaceful, I was sifting through the weekend papers whilst sipping my morning coffee. Then I read an article that nearly made me spit my coffee right out again. This article in The Times really made my blood boil and has been simmering ever since. It takes a lot to rile me, but this article really vexed me.

What utter, utter rubbish

The Times tackled the matter of DIY investing. ‘Is it worth a shot?’ it asks.
 
DIY investing means investing directly into shares and making your own choices. To help answer its question The Times called upon some financial advisers. Here is what they said.

‘Direct investment’, says one, ‘is for people who can afford to lose most of their initial investment.’

‘We very much see the element of a client’s portfolio in individual stocks as that part of their portfolio which they manage themselves for enjoyment… and that any potential losses will have a negligible impact on their overall finances.’

In other words, they imply, you are pretty much certain to lose some, if not all of the money that you personally manage. But so long as you get some fun out it, regrettably they cannot prevent you from this misguided endeavour. 

‘If a client insists on individual stocks representing a core part of their financial planning strategy,’ he goes on, ‘they would probably need a minimum investment of £250,000 to obtain a diversified portfolio of holdings and to justify costs and charges. 

So not only is direct share investment a bad idea, these so-called experts would have you believe, it is also only for the big boys.

I cannot find the words to adequately express just what utter rubbish this is. Let me refute just some of these utterings.


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Direct investing – you can succeed

First of all, you do not need a huge amount of money to invest directly on the stock market. You have to start somewhere, and if you only have a little, don’t let that put you off.

Second, in my opinion, diversification is overrated. Of course you should not put all your eggs in one basket, but rather than deciding how many shares you should own you should concentrate on buying good ones without having to feel you ought to make up the numbers with a lot of poor ones (which, by the way, is what most fund managers do).

Next, it is not true that direct investment is doomed to failure. I know plenty of people who invest directly in the stock market and make a very good return from it. But I know absolutely no–one who has been made rich by his fund manager or financial adviser.

Strangely The Times chose to illustrate its article with a photo of Warren Buffett who has, of course, made a fabulous investment return by investing directly into the shares of good companies and sticking with them.

For sure you will make some mistakes and take some losses. But you will learn from these and, as with anything else in life, the more you practise the better you will become.

Why the government wants us to use ‘the professionals’

But what really irks me is the way in which conflicts of interest and the nanny state have taken over investment. Why do newspapers focus on managed funds? Could it be because the fund managers advertise on their pages? Why do independent financial advisers recommend funds? Could it be that they make more money this way than if we were all to manage our own portfolios, investing directly in the stock market?

The performance of investment funds is pitiful, while the fees that are creamed off investors’ money make me weep. None of this, of course, gets a mention. Instead we are fed the fiction that the savings industry can give us a prosperous old age - despite today’s pension crisis proving quite the opposite.

I will tell you what the real agenda is here.

The government does not want to give you the chance to make a great return on your savings, because you might just mess up and lose them. The government does not care whether the value of your savings is slowly eroded over time just so long as you don’t lose it in a rush and cause it a problem. So it subtly dictates that you should entrust your savings to the City; that you should ‘take advice’ from the professionals’; and that you should diversify your money across a whole range of dud investments.

Personally I hold only cash and direct shareholdings. I would not invest in a fund if one of these witless advisers begged me. If I showed my savings portfolio to a financial advisor he would probably shake his head and tell me I had got it all wrong. But I haven’t, and I know it.

I would be very interested to know your thoughts on this. Leave your comments below.

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  • 1. Henry Thompson

    (01 May 2012, 05:33PM)  Complain about this comment

    It has been some time since the media were anything other than corporate mouthpieces or ideologically driven do-gooders. This kind of story gets churned out every so often in differing guises. Just another example of how we are inclined to disempower ourselves for the sake of convenience, avoiding responsibility, and lazy comfort.

  • 2. Ken

    (01 May 2012, 05:35PM)  Complain about this comment

    I understand your frustration and the general theme of your points and the omission of how much managed funds can cost. I bought managed funds 3 years ago for my daughter and my grandson for the long term as perhaps a pension pot for later in life but its value is lower now and I very much regret not just opening a bank savings account.
    You will perhaps now understand Tom why I was so peeved about your splitting the RHPS letter.

  • 3. philjc

    (01 May 2012, 05:35PM)  Complain about this comment

    I absolutely agree! I first became disillusioned with financial advisors when I checked the value of a Scottish Life pension I had started, putting £600 pcm into it, and after one year its value was £0, the company having paid out £6000 to this greedy intermediary a the first year's commission! I also lost a substantial amount in an Aberdeen fund, and saw another pension shrinking in value despite my regular contributions. I now manage my own shares and will "sink or swim" by my own efforts!

  • 4. neil stewart

    (01 May 2012, 05:38PM)  Complain about this comment

    i agree i managed to pick up premier foods at 4p all by my self have had a few nasty moments since but only when the darn kitten walks accross keyboard at wrong moment

  • 5. Robin

    (01 May 2012, 05:38PM)  Complain about this comment

    You are absolutely right. I was talked into a "Discretionary" (meaning they make the decisions)account by Bestinvest for my SIPP. Almost all the investments they made were funds. After 5 years my fund had grown half as much as the FOOTSIE so I moved to Hargreaves Lansdown and invest directly in shares I select. This is fun and and I am doing better than the FOOTSIE.
    I follow mainly you and Mike Tubbs.

  • 6. Johnill

    (01 May 2012, 05:41PM)  Complain about this comment

    I also agree with T.B. and I keep most of my money in Direct Shareholdings and a certain amount of cash BUT I also hold a few Investment Trusts which I think should have been mentioned , in their own right in the article, even though they are technically Direct Shareholdings.

  • 7. r

    (01 May 2012, 05:41PM)  Complain about this comment

    I had my eyes opened to the "con" of investing a lump sum into a growth fund a few years ago. It was a 10 year plan and I got out a lot less than I put in. Admittedly, the FTSE had gone down a bit but the return was a lot less than the loss on the FTSE. The company (on the south coast) took their hundreds of pounds commission and paid me back a lot less than my investment. I was so appalled that I complained to the ombudsman but they just referred me back to the original comp-any and told me to use their grievance procedure which, of course, I had already done without avail. I have done much better with direct share and stock investments on the stock market.
    r

  • 8. Ian Davies

    (01 May 2012, 05:42PM)  Complain about this comment

    My 'DIY investing' has given a much better return than any bank account; I can't stand the idea of yet another insane raft of regulation, this time about what we can or can't do with our own hard-earned readies. I wouldn't be too surprised if they did try to push this through.
    What a joke - a Government that can't control its own spending telling us how to manage our finances. Pathetic.

  • 9. Peter Lilley

    (01 May 2012, 05:42PM)  Complain about this comment

    I agree entirely - cash and direct shareholdings. After the Equitable Life fiasco I decided I could live with my own mistakes, but I was not prepared to pay someone to make mistakes for me. If I was allowed to withdraw the dividends from my SIPP I would have a decent retirement income - but nanny says no.

  • 10. Chris

    (01 May 2012, 05:53PM)  Complain about this comment

    Totally Correct as ever Tom, A financial adviser managed to lose me approx £7,000 in just less than a year. He was sacked immediatly, & ever since i have been managing my own investments, with help from you & others, I'm doing alright thanyou very much. Keep up the good work.

  • 11. puredeadbrilliant

    (01 May 2012, 05:56PM)  Complain about this comment

    I whole heartedly agree with your sentiments, and most of the comments made. As a small investor, I also had funds with a couple of management companies, which have borne no fruit, whereas my venture into penny shares shows a modest profit. I am happy to pass on to others of my ilke, Providence resources and DNO(about to launch in London). Good luck with your investing everyone.

  • 12. David

    (01 May 2012, 05:58PM)  Complain about this comment

    I have invested in several shares recommended by The Red Hot Penny Share Guide, almost exclusively with very bad results so far !

  • 13. Peter Arnold

    (01 May 2012, 06:00PM)  Complain about this comment

    I absolutely agree. My direct investments have nearly all provided a return well above inflation, whereas funds, including those recommended by Hargreaves Lansdown, have either lost money or failed to outpace inflation.

  • 14. Jon Smart

    (01 May 2012, 06:03PM)  Complain about this comment

    I have followed your comments and articles for many years, and you are right and wrong. Many financial advisers are clueless on investment and are only interested in what they can earn. Others arent and do a good job for their clients, but very few have the knowledge or interest to buy their own shares. I am 48 years old and have been buying shares since 1984 and I am also a self employed IFA. Most of my clients do not want to buy their own investments but some do - I deal with them all in a fair and honest manner and try to charge them a fair amount for the work I do. Keep up the good work

  • 15. Alex

    (01 May 2012, 06:07PM)  Complain about this comment

    There are lots of pros and cons when it comes to whether fund managers are any good. At the end of the day though if they were good at what they did they would be doing it with their own money and not chasing after yours. Conclusion - they arent so I dont give them my money and have made 50%+ returns every year for the last 4 years.

  • 16. yeready

    (01 May 2012, 06:19PM)  Complain about this comment

    Completely with you on this. Always do your own research. If you can't find the time, leave the stockmarket alone.

    DIY has served me well. It is time consuming, but there is little sensible alternative.

    I might be more inclined to use managed funds if they were strictly performance related. Otherwise, there is little or no incentive for managers to perform.

  • 17. John, Bahrain

    (01 May 2012, 06:21PM)  Complain about this comment

    Delighted to be a DIY investor having lost 7k + in a managed fund with Friends Provident (when I emailed and asked how the fees were calculated I was essentially told that it was too complicated to explain. The amount I had paid in was always shown on the annual statement but from 2008 it was removed - I wonder why!)
    Only last week, a colleague was advised to remove his contributions from the UK Teachers Pension scheme which is final salary so a huge risk to take. He also advised him to invest in Aussie dollars (interest rates cut today and economy slowing).
    I have had some beginners luck with gold and silver since 09 and now a very happy subscriber to RHPS and True Value. Great to have control over your finances and an interesting hobby as well.

  • 18. David

    (01 May 2012, 06:27PM)  Complain about this comment

    Having watched the performance of share & cash ISA's over the last couple of years, it is no surprise the "professionals" are trotting out this type of story. I decided this January to invest directly as I was fed up with earning a few pounds a month interest. Some purchases have gone well some are a bit stagnant , but in 3 months up approx 80%!!. I agree with Tom!

  • 19. John

    (01 May 2012, 06:55PM)  Complain about this comment

    I have invested in some funds (oil & gas, gold, water, japan, European, Absolute return) as i thought they would be better at increasing my wealth over what i could do but most have only fluctuated and gone nowhere. Their charts rarely move in sync with their values in my account and losses seem magnified and gains reduced. My individual shares are up around a third but i can see at any moment their true value and cost, something i dont see with funds. Its scary playing around with your future wealth when you have no real idea what works but i have beaten paid managers with what i call guesswork.... Go figure. P.s. Funds could never increase by 900% (Afren) (to name one)
    I bought gold in August 2006 too but cant remember why ... oh yes moneyweek.....!!!
    D.I.Y. and ride the wave.....

  • 20. Rick

    (01 May 2012, 07:02PM)  Complain about this comment

    I have been a DIY investor since the 08 fiasco and with a number of high % dividend plays and decent returns on straight up buy and sells have now started to play with house money.

    With a little time and effort DIY investors can beat most of the smucks trying to tell you where to put your money.

  • 21. JohnWilly

    (01 May 2012, 07:14PM)  Complain about this comment

    Steady on Tom lad, don't stress yourself. What you were reading was a NEWSPAPER, you know one of those commercial things that lots of people invest in with the idea of making money. They only have one aim in life,sell more newspapers, more advertising space, get the paper noticed, get it quoted by all and sundry so that a few more people will read a copy or two and maybe more, maybe even becoming a regular reader! The hacks that write all the articles are as thick as two short planks, barely educated despite a "degree 3rd class". This article certainly got you bringing attention to the newspaper (On sale at all good newsagents!).

  • 22. A F

    (01 May 2012, 07:58PM)  Complain about this comment

    Tom is almost spot on - the vast majority of fund managers are absolutely useless, as I've learnt through bitter experience. Now I only directly invest in shares, and have done much better managing my own portfolio than was the case when I stupidly trusted advice from so called experts. I've had funds that have almost lost me everything of my original investment and will never trust these people again. Of course there are good fund managers, but we're only talking here of about 15% of whole lot. If you must use a fund, get a well run Investment Trust and carefully research it yourself before parting with your money - don't get conned by a so called financial "expert" who only has his or her own welfare in mind when they "advise" you. I've learnt the hard way never to trust anyone when it comes to money - least of all these people who're hungry it and can't wait to get their hands on your money to give themselves an easy living.

  • 23. Ian Brummer

    (01 May 2012, 08:09PM)  Complain about this comment

    When my employer outsourced me to another company, my pension was passed to Legal & General.
    L&G had it for 7 years and the value went DOWN from £50,000 to £45,000 which is what prompted me to transfer it to a SIPP.
    According to the Times I have probably been lucky but in the last 10 years I have managed to treble it.
    Although I would not claim that I am an expert, I have relied on advice from various tipping services including Red Hot & Stansberry for US shares.

  • 24. les

    (01 May 2012, 08:15PM)  Complain about this comment

    I have invested both trusts and shares and checked the last 12 months to find my pick of shares exceeded the value of trust by 190%.I am now
    concentrating solely on shares where I am totally in charge making my own decisions and not left to the trust funds.

  • 25. richardg

    (01 May 2012, 08:19PM)  Complain about this comment

    Since 1987 whenever i have had enough money to risk loosing it i have invested directly. I based my choice on a penny share financial paper and personal gut feelings. ! lost some money but mostly won and enjoyed the ride. I hung onto some poor picks in HK and even they are now showing significant gains. I cant see the point of paying someone else to do no better than me.

  • 26. Joan

    (01 May 2012, 08:20PM)  Complain about this comment

    I agree. Was badly let down by one of the high street banks in the 2000 crash.
    My pet niggle regarding the nanny rules is that certain shares are ineligible for ISA accounts. Obviously we are not adult enough to take our own risks, and must be protected from our recklessness. (Or maybe they just want a cut of our big winners!)

  • 27. deepsleeves

    (01 May 2012, 09:06PM)  Complain about this comment

    Couldn't agree more
    Al investments, SIPP and ISA are directly invested.
    When I was young and foolish I used so called expert "financial advisors.
    A sad choice.
    Do your own thing. Only yourself to blame if it goes wrong

  • 28. Gill Chesney-Green

    (01 May 2012, 10:05PM)  Complain about this comment

    Well... I've been buying my own shares since 2007 and started off with about £50... from little acorns etc! Now my portfolio is just over £24,300 and I've had some spectacular (relatively) losses and equally some spectacular gains. Currently I'm £600 down... but that doesn't factor in dividends gained... nor the 'top slicing' that I've done over the years. Clearly I have some stocks that I'm hoping will come good... but overall I KNOW that I'll have done better than investing with a managed account... just waiting and watching for the move upwards! AND it's all so much fun!

  • 29. HPC Follower

    (01 May 2012, 10:45PM)  Complain about this comment

    Fully agree Tom... my "self managed" portfolio has consistently done better than the FTSE even though I have suffered >90% losses on a few stocks.

    The fees on managed funds wipe out a large chunk of any profits and the "manager" always takes his fees. SIPPs are great though to reduce tax whilst enjoying the buying/selling process at times of my choosing.

    If I do have a complaint, it's your RHPS sell recommendations - often too early just to allow another company of interest to join the portfolio. Examples here are GEMD, which I did then sell too early in retrospect, ZOX and FDI which I am still holding because the fundamentals remain good even if you lost confidence, etc.

    What's good about RHPS is that comapanies are brought to my attention to research and buy before they really take off - or die given the inherent risk with any penny share.

  • 30. JEREMIAH LOCO

    (01 May 2012, 10:50PM)  Complain about this comment

    I totally agree with you. just refer the Times to Peter Lynch's book "ONE UP ON WALL STREET"Which I am sure you know advocates diy investing and this from one of the most successful investors on wall street.

  • 31. Christopher Fradd

    (01 May 2012, 11:19PM)  Complain about this comment

    My view is quite simple. You are right and "The Times" is wrong and for precisely the reasons you have given.

  • 32. Ray

    (02 May 2012, 12:12AM)  Complain about this comment

    Tom...you have it spot on with what you have had to say. Banks offer next to no return on any savings you may want to make, whilst asking ridiculously high rates of interest if you want a loan. Don't believe all the rubbish you are being told, and encouraged to adopt as the one true way. I invest in stocks of my own choice, and it has take a while and a few losses, but I'm doing ok and gradually increasing the worth of the portfolio. If anyone is considering self investing, I'd say go for it...just take a careful approach and make sure you do your research well. I banked a 20% gain in one stock today alone, which only took me a couple of months to build up, and I've now spread that out with three different stocks....two of which went into profit for me within minutes of my decision to buy them..

  • 33. Phil

    (02 May 2012, 12:33AM)  Complain about this comment

    In 1989 when I got a job on the oil rigs, I got told if i pumped "X" amount of my hard earned into a pot, when I retire I would get "X" amount a year back as a pension. Now even back then as a hard grafter and not academically genius enough to be a contender for the BOE job, I felt I was being ripped off. So I fuffed those folk off.

    Now here we are, 20 odd years down the road, the pension pot has been raped and pillaged by governments, The banks are as honest as Ronnie Biggs, Insurance companies (PPI) have been proved to be a massive con.

    Where do you trust your hard earned with? If you think I'm going to trust my sweat and toil with any of the above, then sorry, you all had your chance to prove you where out for my profit, and you all failed.

    I would rather pump my spare money into shares, and lose the whole lot just trying to better myself, then pay someone else to con/steal/borrow or tax me out of my money.

  • 34. Jack

    (02 May 2012, 02:57AM)  Complain about this comment

    I once invested in a Gilt fund. I know what my income should be, right? After a few years the income I was getting was substantially less. My investment was pooled with others who'd bought in later at a lower yield, and whose gilt purchases had diluted mine. Additionally there were management charges – what management is there to do to a gilt fund? (Admittedly these were offset by the tax relief as this was a pension plan). As soon as self select pensions became available I moved. I’d learnt my lesson.

  • 35. John Mack

    (02 May 2012, 07:54AM)  Complain about this comment

    II have been a subscriber to Moneyweek and supporting newletters for a number of years. I cannot agree with you more, as an "Amateur" investor I have been a victim of managed funds and financial advisers in the past. It is interesting to see your comment regarding keeping wealth in shares and the bank only. This is exactly what I do! except that I only keep enough in cash for the immediate future, all other monies are invested in high dividend equities or potentially growth ones using a "Value investing strategy" tempored by my avid readings of Moneyweek and the motley fool website. To date this year my physical equities are up over 50 percent and my equity spread betting account (used for augmenting positions or hedging) is up 132%. I suspect most of this is attributable to LOW transaction costs and no outside experts. . Yours Sincerely John McMeekan

  • 36. Andrew

    (02 May 2012, 07:58AM)  Complain about this comment

    I studied in Asia and took 3 exams to obtain a licence to be a financial consultant and hated it. All there interested in is the large commission they receive and most of the guys in the office new very little about investment other than the product they were selling.

  • 37. Sandra

    (02 May 2012, 08:05AM)  Complain about this comment

    The last time I paid attention to the government and moved my SERPS related contribution to a private fund, it failed badly; but it would be 34 years before I discovered that mistake . There is only one thing to say "Once bitten twice shy"!

  • 38. Andy Arnott

    (02 May 2012, 08:54AM)  Complain about this comment

    Tom your comments are spot on. I do not ever buy or read a newspaper as their agenda is to sell papers and not report the news. Furthermore we are all told we should be doing this or that in every aspect of our lives and like sheep most people willingly oblige. It is a classic case of 'the few trying to control the many'

  • 39. will white

    (02 May 2012, 09:16AM)  Complain about this comment

    I'm pretty green in financial matters and reading this article by Tom just brings it home to me what an idiot I have been. I paid into a smallish pension fund linked to life insurance with Abbey Life for 26 years with rising premiums and a projected fund at maturity of £85,000.00. By Feb' 2010 this had shrunk to around £24,000.00 and falling so I quit payments (risen to almost £100.00 per month from the original £25.00 per month at inception).So, through my financial advisor I transferred the remaining funds to Skandia, and being thoroughly disillusioned with the whole business, took 25% tax free. (the remainder has shrunk by a further£1,700.00 in a year!!! Can anyone tell me if there is a way that I can wrest this remaining pathetic sum away from the clutches of these morons, and take over control of it myself ?. I am doing my utmost to learn all I can about trading/investing.

    Regards to all,

    Will

  • 40. Gordon

    (02 May 2012, 09:25AM)  Complain about this comment

    Nothing much to add to the comments above. I agree wholeheartedly with Tom

  • 41. Kashif

    (02 May 2012, 09:51AM)  Complain about this comment

    I am new to investing and only recently started. I have to agree with Tom. The amount of money the article was reffering to was ridiculous. It would scare off any small time investor.

    As with most things in life, start small, see how it goes and if you succeed then expand.

  • 42. scott

    (02 May 2012, 11:34AM)  Complain about this comment

    I read an article in the Sunday Times some time ago written by a successful investor. That week invitations had come in to speak at two gatherings, one for for self investors held in Bournmouth, the other for fund managers held in Monte Carlo. 'That' he said 'should tell you why you should manage your own investments.'

  • 43. Steve Dick

    (02 May 2012, 11:40AM)  Complain about this comment

    I couldn't agree more on your article content. When I worked in Brunei in the 80's many so-called finanials advisors would prey on the expat community claiming to make us all rich by investing in their recommended fund portfolios. Being rather green to investing I took this chaps advice and over the next ten years his company managed to lose me around 25% of my investment. Ever since then I have been directly investing in the market myself and can claim to be ahead of the game. Of course there are ups & downs but if I'm going to lose money then it will be down to me and not paying some so-called expert to lose it for me!

  • 44. Barrie Owen

    (02 May 2012, 12:03PM)  Complain about this comment

    As usual you hit the nail on the head. If anyone believes the Government or the wise ones who control the money know best, LOOK AROUND . This is the single most catastrophic mismanagement of our money ( If indeed it is mismanged ) in human history.
    Barrie Owen.

  • 45. John

    (02 May 2012, 02:14PM)  Complain about this comment

    It has nothing to do with the nanny state but about money.

    If an individual exercises their rights and invests directly into a company there is less money for the civil servants to play with.

    The FSA is funded by fees based on the FUM (funds under management) and the higher the fum the more money they have to fritter.

  • 46. Paul Whatmore

    (02 May 2012, 03:00PM)  Complain about this comment

    Peter Lilly is right about SIPPs. Why can't we draw an income from the dividends collected by our SIPPs? Annuities are yet another scandal and charges rip off in my opinion.

    Look at the top 10 holdings in any of the major funds and they are almost the same. You would do better just buying those 10 shares yourself. Also, a DIY investor can avoid companies with too much debt and anycompany with a pension scheme defecit. Do that and already the dice are loaded in your favour as well as avoiding all those fund management fees.

  • 47. Jim

    (02 May 2012, 03:07PM)  Complain about this comment

    Tom said he read an article in the Times from "Financial advisers".

    They wouldn't be involved in the Fund industry would they?

  • 48. Bob Nielsen

    (02 May 2012, 08:29PM)  Complain about this comment

    Tom, I also read the ignorant article and agree with your comments 100% ,as do the rest of us independant investors here. Question is: What are we doing to change this attitude? and in particular, the support for the deceptions given by naive politicians?
    To attack these deceits I have joined 'the shareholders association' which has a platform from which we can put the truth. The Association needs considerable re-energising but it could be an excellent vehicle to challenge the fund management lies from. If others here also want to 'put their money where their mouths are' then please also join (fees are a pittance) and lets get political rather than just moaning in the shadows! Tom, are you going to join? We need powerful advocates to join together and get on Question time and Newsnight to debunk the falsehoods.
    Regards, Bob Nielsen, Oxfordshire.

  • 49. Aff

    (02 May 2012, 10:26PM)  Complain about this comment

    Come on guys mutual funds do a great job!

    Hehehe only joking. I am fully intending to stick to my own financial decisions from now on. DIY all the way.

  • 50. Edward

    (03 May 2012, 10:08AM)  Complain about this comment

    I agree that you do not need a great deal of money to invest in stocks directly. I invested £500 in a few AIM stocks 4 years ago. Through trading I have grown the value of my portfolio by an average of 20% per year and have not invested any additional money in. I am certainly no expert though I would never take any advice from these Financial Advisers.

  • 51. Douglas

    (03 May 2012, 10:48AM)  Complain about this comment

    Eight years ago I lost confidence in "financial advisors" and took control of my portfolio. What I had then has now multiplied ten times - thanks to judicious trading in AIM oil stocks. Had I stayed with my "financial advisor" I would have less now than I had eight years ago. These boys - financial advisors - are in it only to fleece the ignorant.

  • 52. Andy

    (03 May 2012, 10:52AM)  Complain about this comment

    Invested in two ISA's with Scottish Widows in 2007/8, £14K total. 5 years later it was worth £14,350. In that time Scottish Widows had taken about £1155 in fees!

    What a great investment... NOT!!

  • 53. Ed

    (03 May 2012, 11:02AM)  Complain about this comment

    I have a self-invested ISA with a major UK banking group. The fees were about 30% of the annual gain. I would have been better not investing in an ISA and paying 20% tax.

  • 54. M Gill

    (03 May 2012, 11:14AM)  Complain about this comment

    I totally agree with the opinions expressed in this article and my experience bears out the poor performance and high costs of investing in managed funds.

  • 55. Jeff

    (03 May 2012, 11:39AM)  Complain about this comment

    Investment trusts can be bought over the internet (e.g. Barclays Stockbrokers) and generally have lower charges than unit trusts and funds and better performance - financial advisers have to eat so obviously will charge for their services - Hargreaves Lansdown have a good reputation but even so, I believe that anyone with any money to invest should do their own research and buy sensibly (perhaps easier said than done !) - that way they learn to look after their money better than anyone else.

  • 56. Roger Wilson

    (03 May 2012, 12:17PM)  Complain about this comment

    My wife and I enrolled in a managed portfolio nearly 3 years ago - profits since 2002 showed a a healthy 80% increase so we went to discuss our interest with the fund managers and were impressed and persuaded to join. We invested 300k between us from our SIPPS - since that time until october 2011 between us 100k for my wife and 200k for me the total losses amounted to 20k and 44k (3 years' pension contributions)- We were apalled as I had during the period asked if we could have a proportion of the money ivested in metal notably Copper Tin and Silver We were told that the managers would not deviate from their so called strategy hence losses and the missed opportunity to make an absolute killing. C'est La Vie !!! We liquidated everything and now hold only cash whilst we decide what to do. I think we'll probably just spend it.

  • 57. Jeff

    (03 May 2012, 12:45PM)  Complain about this comment

    As in any field, there are reputable companies and there are crooks (boiler-room scams epitomize the crooks) -schools could do more to give young people an elementary knowledge of finance and investment but until then, it will always be a case of "caveat emptor" -"buyer beware".
    For a beginner with little knowledge, probably the best way to start investing is with a regular savings scheme with an investment trust (for growth, income or worldwide) - when they gain knowledge they can trade independently through an internet broker or a reputable financial advisor

  • 58. Gerry

    (03 May 2012, 01:01PM)  Complain about this comment

    Absolutely bang on!
    I learned the lesson years ago and as a consequence I view with deep suspicion those who seek to part me from my hard earned cash
    no matter who or what they are. I may not have made a fortune but neither have I lost one and I intend to keep it that way.

  • 59. Pat

    (03 May 2012, 01:24PM)  Complain about this comment

    Vultures come to mind, when my private pensions matured Imade mistake of following advice and went to a Financial Advisor Im sure I was conned. With all these people spitting out their coffee I think I might add coffee shares to my portfolio thanks Tom.

  • 60. Cris

    (03 May 2012, 01:24PM)  Complain about this comment

    Commision based selling in the financial sector is the route cause of the current financial crisis and is why you will never make significant profits from investing in funds. There is no easy answer everyone in the "business" wants to sell you financial information but they are as much use as weather forcasters. Do it youself is the only answer but you need to set aside time and make the effort. If you cant dont complain if you pass the responsibility to the weather forcaster!

  • 61. Butterball

    (03 May 2012, 01:43PM)  Complain about this comment

    Tom - I couldn't agree with you more.

    However, one thing baffles me. I didn't think anyone still read The Times.

  • 62. Strings

    (03 May 2012, 04:20PM)  Complain about this comment

    I made a significant amount of money recently, kept it in cash 'til a few months ago when I gave 100K to a stockbroker to grow the capital rather than have returns. I have 12 individual (blue chip!) share holdings of which 7 have dropped in 8 months, leaving me with 5k+ losses and the costs not yet covered by dividend payments. ......2.4 % bank interest is looking very appealing now.
    The non fund system is equally rife with fees and bad decisions and little interest in making gains for me, rather getting paid for failure...where have I heard that before? How do I take control myself? How do I buy and sell avoiding the high costs of a stockbroker? Please write an article for the absolute beginner; do not assume any knowledge!
    (n0) Strings

  • 63. Big Cheese

    (03 May 2012, 06:20PM)  Complain about this comment

    Great article, Tom. I often wonder why Moneyweek has a fund of the week item. If it was investment trust of the week, that would at least be in line with what Merryn says about ITs vs unit trusts and OEICs.

  • 64. Julian

    (03 May 2012, 10:50PM)  Complain about this comment

    As an ex-IFA I can see both sides of the coin, the problem with advsiing on shares for clients is that you need a great deal of knowledge and technology to do a good job, it is a much larger field and much more variable, great but at time terrible results. With mutual funds, the selectioon process is much easier and the results can be reasnable, but are rarely disastrous. It is therefore a much safer op[tion to stick with funds, and if you chose good funds, you can get a much better rturn than cash, but you do need to avoid the super safe funds like the plague. I used to manage a number of mixed accounts, using mainly bluechips that the clients already had, and using funds especially for overseas markets.
    I now manage a small SIPP for myself and a small ex-ISA portfolio both of which have both funds and direct holdings, with a gradual move to direct investing, but keeping some funds for India or Latin America.

  • 65. Lupulco

    (04 May 2012, 09:44PM)  Complain about this comment

    Well said Tom,
    I really got interested some 3-4 years ago when %rates plummetted, [below the RPI] hence you were losing money.
    After 6 months useing a trial account and reading lots of books etc, it was time to take the plunge.
    So i fed into the Market £1k pm, and followed my instincts. It as been interesting, enjoyable and financialy better then most ISA's be they Cash or Cash/Equity mix.
    So find a good reliable dealer, confirm that you can get your money back, [beware the over cheap ones?] and go for it.
    Plan, Prepare, Patience and the Purchase, 4P's

  • 66. BarryM

    (05 May 2012, 09:57PM)  Complain about this comment

    If only I had the time to follow individual shares and running a business. I'm a 5% fun investor in individual shares who has up to now made a profit.
    The rest I leave to Investment Trust saving schemes and pound cost averaging.

  • 67. Michael Woodisse

    (06 May 2012, 01:06PM)  Complain about this comment

    I have great empathy with the article but do not believe the government know enough to make this their policy.They are just too lazy to give good advice.As you so rightly say Financial advisers seem never to give proper advice and stick with the products that yield them, rather than their clients, the best return.
    The sensible advice from people like Tom Bulford would yield them all a much better return and not expose them to unnecessary risk ,if they too are sensible.
    I am pleased to see the big institutions are getting involved with top pay but what about their own.?

  • 68. chris

    (07 May 2012, 10:42AM)  Complain about this comment

    Started with twenty thousand in 2006 and finished with approximately sixty thousand in 2011 which spent on house deposit and renovations. People used to laugh but then their funds and bank shares came home to roost.

  • 69. Chris Goodwin

    (08 May 2012, 07:46PM)  Complain about this comment

    Oh, be reasonable. Some of us try. For example, I run a long term fund that guarantees to beat any index of your choice (max ten choices).
    Simply send all your money to me, lie down in a quiet room, fold your hands across your breast, shut your eyes, and try not to breathe too much. After one million years, you can expect to get staggering returns - I give you my personal guarantee for that- or your money back. What could be fairer ? (TAX FREE) - ScamMasters Nigerian Perpetual Guarantee Trust

  • 70. Gaynor

    (15 May 2012, 03:32PM)  Complain about this comment

    Tom, I wholeheartedly agree. Had a bad experience with a financial advisor in the past and, so far, have been more successful on my own.

  • 71. Jeff2

    (16 May 2012, 04:13PM)  Complain about this comment

    I'm pretty new to all of this but it sounds sensible not too go on sating the appetite of fund managers. My diverse funds have gone nowhere in 4 years - would be much better off in a fixed term 3/4% cash ISA. I want to invest more in individual shares via an ISA - but how / where do I do this without incurring high 'holding' charges? And which companies allow monthly savings into Investment Trusts?
    And - as the FTSE is down 9% in 5 years why would anyone ever be interested in a Tracker fund?

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