My favourite way to buy silver

By Bengt Saelensminde Feb 06, 2012

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Last Friday, we looked at The best assets to own as Europe breaks up. I said I thought you should hold precious metals and singled out silver. Today I’ll show you a great way to buy it.

Like gold, silver can be a great store of value during tempestuous times – and I know a lot of Right Siders like the investment.

The problem is, silver can be incredibly volatile. That’s why I generally advise investors to avoid leveraged positions such as spread-bets for silver. It’s just way too dangerous.

I’d much prefer to hold physical silver, buying it and tucking it away. The problem is that, unlike gold, you’ll have to pay VAT if you want to buy physical silver.

But if you know where to look, you can still get a great deal. Today I want to show you how you can buy physical silver at a discount including VAT!

Join the dealers for the best rates

It’s worth trying to pick up cheap silver from dealers in places like London’s Hatton Garden. There you can buy beautiful solid silver antiques at around the spot price of silver (that is the price silver trades at in the financial markets). But you’ll have to pay the VAT on top.

But there’s an even smarter way to do it. Instead of buying from a dealer, you join the dealers. That way you’ll be able to buy at less than spot. Now that’s compelling.

It’s all about minimising the market spread (the difference between the buy and sell price). If you can buy below the price quoted in the market, then you’re already on to a winner.

That’s exactly what I’ve been doing. I’ve been stockpiling silver from online auctions and I’ve been regularly buying silver at a discount of up to 10% from the spot price.  And the price I pay either includes VAT, or there’s none chargeable.


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Why is silver going for less than its true worth?

Of course, whenever you see something that seems too good to be true, you always need to question it. Are you being sold a pup?

Today I want to run through four reasons why this anomaly in silver exists and why you can get a bargain.

First, if you want to sell unwanted silver for scrap, then you won’t get the spot price. Though we may call items ‘solid silver’, they rarely are. Even silver coins are mostly alloyed. Silver is brittle on its own and it’s not easy for silversmiths to work; so it’s usually blended with other metals.

Only a refined silver ingot or minted coin is worth spot, and there’s a bit of work involved in getting unwanted silver to this state. Of course, the dealer is going to want his margin on top of that price too. He’s not going to do all this for free! In general you’ll get around 15% less than spot for unwanted silver. So if you buy your silver from guys that want to sell ‘scrap’, then you can buy at a discount.

But this doesn’t mean that you’re confined to ugly scrap pieces nobody else wants. 90% of what I buy are usable and nice pieces, yet they’re still below the value of silver content...

The second reason you can often get a bargain is because online auction sellers usually don’t put in a ‘reserve’. Take the silver platter pictured below. In terms of silver (at spot price), it was worth £520 when I bought it last week. It’s a 19th century French platter made from very fine silver (Britannia). You’d have thought the seller would have put a reserve in at the value of the silver content wouldn’t you?

But they didn’t and I picked it up for just over £460. Not only is that around 10% less than the silver value; it’s also the final price including VAT (if the seller is VAT registered, it’s up to him to pay).

French 19th century silver platter

Most sellers don’t enter a reserve price and that means there are bargains to be had.

The third reason why there are bargains out there is because buyers have been taken by surprise. Collectors are finding it increasingly difficult to compete with the scrap merchants. A spoon that used to be worth a tenner might now go for £30. Many collectors are shell-shocked and have gone to ground!

But I suspect a new army of collectors will be on their way. And that brings me on to the fourth and final reason why I think now is a good time to get a bargain.

Most financial investors don’t tend to mix business with pleasure. In fact most investors hand over investment responsibilities to someone else – and pay them for their services. But that’s not the way we like to do things here at The Right Side. We like to take control of our financial destiny.

This approach means we can mix business with pleasure. Instead of buying a faceless financial investment, we can buy something that can be both useful and treasured in its own right. There’s no need for us to bid up the price on investment grade silver (refined ingots) when you can find plenty of interesting items with just a little bit of work.

I’m sure many readers will be interested in taking this further. On Wednesday I’ll be going into more detail on how you can use online auctions. I’ll give you some ‘tricks of the trade’ which will be useful as you look to make some shrewd silver purchases.

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  • 1. Brian B

    (06 February 2012, 05:57PM)  Complain about this comment

    I see this is coming from Canada. There is also the shipping cost and import duty to consider.

  • 2. Steve

    (06 February 2012, 06:04PM)  Complain about this comment

    Nice article and I really like the idea of mixing business and pleasure. I got into silver coins as an investment mainly through my hobby as a coin collector.
    However, I cannot see why anyone would pay the UK VAT rates. Silver coins can be bought perfectly legally from German online shops at a VAT rate of 7%, less even than the swiss rate of 8% (though of course, you'd have to declare the coins if bought from Switzerland). For some strange reason, the german VAT rate on silver bars is 19%!
    Every company registered to sell silver in Germany has a quota for other countries, after which, they have to charge you your own national rate. That's why you'll often see on some websites that 'quotas for Finland etc have now been reached'.
    My own favourite is www.vatea.de but there are others, and they all ship insured post

    Steve.

  • 3. bengt

    (06 February 2012, 06:14PM)  Complain about this comment

    Brian

    You're right - shipped from Canada - crikey, you must be some sort of a super-spy!

    Nonetheless, shipping wasn't much (15 quid - which still leaves us around the 10% discount to spot) and I had no import duty to pay.

    The package was clearly marked as "antique silver plate"... and I gather that antiques don't carry an import duty.

    I'm going to investigate that further and make sure it's the case... if you have anything to add, it would be great

    bengt

  • 4. Brian

    (07 February 2012, 02:57PM)  Complain about this comment

    Bengt,

    When buying on ebay you can recoup for yourself, 30% of the seller's final valuation fee by going through:

    Hope this helps,

    Brian.

  • 5. Brian,

    (07 February 2012, 03:00PM)  Complain about this comment

    oops, sorry you need to click on my link to save the 30%:

    http://www.topcashback.co.uk/ref/candidfrank

  • 6. David

    (07 February 2012, 06:13PM)  Complain about this comment

    you can buy silver bullion in the UK without paying VAT.

  • 7. Craig in the US

    (07 February 2012, 10:46PM)  Complain about this comment

    Silver is actually extremely ductile. It is anything but brittle. The reasons for alloying are to add hardness and durability (usually with copper as in the case of Sterling).

  • 8. Phil

    (08 February 2012, 09:58AM)  Complain about this comment

    Bengt

    Silver can be bought online, VAT free and stored in Viamat vaults in London, New York or Zurich at www.bullionvault.com.

    Phil

  • 9. David

    (08 February 2012, 03:58PM)  Complain about this comment

    @Phil

    You are right about buying silver online with Bullion Vault, but only in London (not Zurich or New York - which only applies to gold)

  • 10. Marcus : Soyke-Matthews

    (14 August 2012, 12:10PM)  Complain about this comment

    1. Thanks Bengt for highlighting this very useful way to add to one's silver investment.
    2. You Can NOT buy Silver inside the legal monopoly matrix game in the UK without "having to pay VAT". The situation with bullionvault is not a fair comparison as this relies on NOT taking delivery and the metal being held in a bonded warehouse and the purchase has not completed. I have been sharing for years the simple rule: "If you can't see it, touch it, feel then you don't own it". If you think you have any silver in any third party warehouse then you DON'T HAVE IT. Simple. The supposed protection that these parties claim unfortunately do not stack up however well intentioned.
    2. Buying overseas is a good idea for VAT reduction, even better if you keep some of it at private locations you control as a risk diversification. Do not store your precious metal with third parties.

  • 11. Marcus : Soyke-Matthews

    (14 August 2012, 12:10PM)  Complain about this comment

    3. As a wholesaler with part of the business outside the EU and supplying from outside the EU, some of the packages shipped in do not have the company known a HMCE making a claim for VAT, so you have the choice if you feel your strawman is liable to 'pay' tax' or not. Study meet your strawman on youtube , Money as Debt videos and the true nature of consent vis a vis government to educate yourself here...)
    4. People being worried about VAT is missing the point of probably the best wealth protection and investment opportunity at the moment (along with gold). Why be bothered about 20% one off when it has increased by 700%+ since 2001 and there has been no downside change to the fundamentals? see this excellent video produced by a contact of mine in the US called VisionVictory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IiarVvZguY&feature=my_favorites&list=FL0DKqadvOE2hkiok1Y7D80w

  • 12. UK Silver Investor

    (09 September 2012, 02:43PM)  Complain about this comment

    Buy second hand VAT free silver bullion. Large dealers like BullionByPost.co.uk often have several kilos of silver available to sell tax free. I called them direct and they sorted me out. Having brought from them before will help as there's quite a demand.

  • 13. Emma Tinnyunt

    (17 November 2012, 12:49PM)  Complain about this comment

    If you take contemporary Silver / antiques out of the country there is no vat to pay. Award winning Silversmith Wayne Meeten is a great artist to start collecting wvmstudio.com

  • 14. Harald

    (12 January 2013, 01:49PM)  Complain about this comment

    A very good way is going through this http://ecopen.homelinux.net/soundMoney/XAG/index.php?main_page=index¤cy=GBP online bullion dealer. They are rather small but dedicated and offer a range of options, including 0% Norway (as an EFTA=EEA country, free to UK and other EU buyers) and also that slightly better-known German deal at 7% VAT...

  • 15. Nici

    (20 January 2013, 01:49PM)  Complain about this comment

    Hi Bengt.

    I have just signed up for your newsletter. This year one of the things to do on my bucket list is to start investing but I am completely clueless right now. I know I have lots to learn and reading to do, but I wondered if you could point me in the direction of some of the articles on here that are a good place to start? I am interested in building an investment portfolio with stocks and shares and also in silver purchases as well. I would be extremely grateful for any advice you could send my way!
    Thanks in advance, Nici xxx

  • 16. james

    (23 February 2013, 04:29PM)  Complain about this comment

    I am looking to buy silver but do not know where to start,should i buy coins or bars?I would like to start investing in physical silver,as there is substance behind precious metals,any advice you could give me would be very much appreciated.

  • 17. Rene

    (28 March 2013, 01:24PM)  Complain about this comment

    Great informative article, but how can a UK resident purchase TSX shares?????

  • 18. Francis Hunt

    (22 April 2013, 11:04PM)  Complain about this comment

    Great article especially like the leads for buying physical Silver bullion preferable Bars, but coins oK without VAT.

    Keep those leads coming and thank you.

  • 19. Tim

    (16 May 2013, 04:52PM)  Complain about this comment

    In Estonia sells Liberty Silver tax free silver coins legal.

    On the website they say that (We sell all products in Estonia for Legal Reasons. This means That You’ll have to book shipping if you would like to have your products shipped abroad.)
    You can find the page here

    https://www.libertysilver.ee/?r=51

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