High yield hazards to be aware of

By Bengt Saelensminde Jul 23, 2012

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Channel 4’s Bank of Dave was a fun two-part documentary (you can still view it online) about a guy so peeved by the banks’ lack of interest in local businesses, that he started his own community bank.

I won’t spoil the show in case you want to watch it. But it certainly proved one thing: the immense hurdles in place for anyone starting a new bank.

The barriers to entry are huge. Banks are (quite rightly) tightly regulated, but does that mean new entrants shouldn’t be allowed in? Not in Dave’s opinion – and I agree.

The incumbents seem to have this business sewn-up. Frankly, it’s little wonder the big-boy banks offer so little for customers. And the mutual building societies are just as bad.

I’m not surprised there’s a growing online movement to cut out the banks.

Zero rates are there for a reason

Put simply, interest rates are just too low. For over three years now, the base rate has been screwed to the floor at 0.5%. Now, the Bank of England is the bank’s bank – low rates are there to help the banks get back on their feet.

Sure, low rates help borrowers too – but never forget, they’re primarily there to ensure insolvent borrowers don’t bring down the banks.

And it’s causing all manner of distortions in the markets. Not least of which is that savers are taking on far too much risk in search of an adequate return.

I like the idea behind online peer-to-peer lending platforms such as Zopa and FundingCircle. Here, you bid to lend your cash to individuals and businesses. But as bidders compete to lend, so the interest rate the borrower has to pay goes down.

And given the number of savers chasing a decent return, bidders are possibly driving the rates down too much. The borrowers are getting too good a deal. To my mind there isn’t adequate compensation for the risk lenders are taking on. Remember: lending to very small businesses is risky; and individuals can quite easily walk away from debt these days.

Not only that, but with these deals your cash is tied up – you can’t get it back quickly if you should suddenly need it.

That said, the headline rates (around 8%) are an awful lot better than you’ll get on conventional savings. It’s just that I’ve got a niggling feeling that the economy may face some tough tests ahead – and that could lead to more defaults. There’s not much in the way of track record to go on with these online schemes and there are certainly no guarantees.

But there are larger companies, with better track records offering to take your money...


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Higher risk for higher returns

Businesses are increasingly going direct to their clients for funding by issuing corporate bonds. Companies including John Lewis, Caxton FX and Hotel Chocolat have successfully found finance among their own customers. But beware: these bonds are not the same as the bonds I normally cover here at The Right Side. These are non-transferable bonds – ie you can’t sell them if you need the cash.

And I’ve also seen a recent offering from restaurant chain, Leon. It’s currently got 13 restaurants (mainly London) and plans to open another ten with the help of a new bond launch.

Leon is offering what looks like a pretty tasty rate: 10% on the minimum £1,500 investment, rising to 15% on £5,000. But interest is paid out in '£eons' – which, as the name suggests, can only be spent on Leon products. That includes cookery courses and books, as well as in-store food.

As an extra bonus, each bond will enter a quarterly prize draw for various prizes ranging from more '£eons' to meals cooked by the founder, a head chef, or a cookery course.

While this looks like fun, I’ve got to say that unless you’re a dedicated Leon-goer, it’s unlikely to be a fantastic investment.

For starters, you’re limited to where the restaurants are – and that’s mainly in central London. Secondly, while many people love Leon's fare, it’s unlikely to be for everyone. This is fast food, aimed at the health conscious – think City workers at lunch-time, rather than a special evening meal out.

And there won’t be many people able to get through £600 a year on these super-foods (bear in mind, there’s no booze) were they to invest £5,000. And once again, you’re tied in to a three-year term, after which you can redeem, or let your bonds run (on the same terms).

But as with all of these ‘alternative investment’ schemes, it’s probably the riskiness of the venture that’s most worrying for me. While the bond ‘invitation’ looks enchanting, it’s a little bit patchy on financial detail.
It shows some rather attractive looking growth in EBITDA (earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation). But what they don’t show is that the business is loss making after all the normal deductions. According to the Telegraph, the business made a loss of over £700,000 on turnover of about £1.8m for 2011.

If I were investing in this business, it would be on the basis that I love the idea and want it to succeed. An investment of the heart, you might say.

Let’s keep our eyes and minds open

If minimising risk on your savings is your number one concern, then it makes sense to stick with savings covered by the Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS). Unfortunately, you won’t find very exciting rates of return there. On the whole, I’m inclined to take on a bit more risk and go for products that offer a more generous yield.

But although I welcome the many innovative new online offerings, I just feel they mostly load up too much risk. Of the stuff I’ve looked into, Zopa is probably the best of the lot. I know many readers use this website and have been happy with the returns they’re getting. If you have any experience of this or other peer-to-peer sites, share your thoughts in the comment below.

Just be aware of the risks involved, and how long you’re tying your money up for. Remember, there’s no security net with savings outside the FSCS.

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  • 1. Frank Smith

    (23 July 2012, 05:00PM)  Complain about this comment

    Rate Setter similar to Zopa in some respects but there is a non paymeny contingency fund, so more chance of getting your money back. A range of terms and rates from 3.9% for thirty day loans to 7.6% from five year loans meens you can spread your risk around. I have never lost money and have held a rate setter account from almost inception, a couple of years ago.

  • 2. DCS

    (23 July 2012, 05:50PM)  Complain about this comment


    Informative, pros and cons clearly expressed and an incisive ,objective and helpful article.
    Thank you.

  • 3. Tony Williams

    (24 July 2012, 10:03AM)  Complain about this comment

    As a long retired old fashioned bank manger going back to the 1970's let us not forget that lending money is the easy part. Banks learnt this to their cost in the various problem loan crises in the past, including the recent property lending problems. Controlling your lending and getting back your loans is the difficult part. That requries skill, experience and judgement. Be careful where you deposit your cash.

  • 4. Christopher Fradd

    (24 July 2012, 10:40AM)  Complain about this comment

    Like you, I enjoyed watching "Bank of Dave". There ought to be an easier way of setting up a new bank. The reason banks can charge so much for some of their services is that they know they are immune from competition. The problem appeared to be that the regulator demanded a huge amount of initial capital. That should not be required. It should be permitted to run a small bank and not just a big one. What is needed is not size but regulation imposing proper capital ratios and liquidity ratios. The banks which had to be bailed out were in the opposite position - they had huge size but inadequate capital ratios and liquidity ratios.

  • 5. Jim

    (24 July 2012, 02:35PM)  Complain about this comment

    I wonder how the big banks would have fared when they first started if they had to get through the FSA regulations when they started.

    I wonder if the guy who set up the 'Bank of Dave' has set up a business model which others will emulate? Watch this space!

  • 6. Tim Wicksteed

    (25 July 2012, 12:56PM)  Complain about this comment

    Hi there, I have used various P2P lending sites and they each have their advantages. Thincats has a minimum £1000 loan size and requires you to analyse the fundamentals of the companies before you loan which can be time consuming. Ratesetter seems to be the closest to risk free with its contingency fund - however this is reflected in the rates offered. Funding Circle benefits from a handy autobid tool which will bid on your behalf based on the risk level of the company. You are putting your faith in the risk assessors at Funding Circle a bit so I tend to put up my rates accordingly. Essentially each risk band has an expected bad debt % so as long as you are diversified enough you can essentially up your lending rate by the bad debt % so on average you make the same return. The extra bonus from funding circle is that you can sell your loan parts to other investors.

  • 7. Tom O'Neill

    (25 July 2012, 12:57PM)  Complain about this comment

    Bengt - keep the bond ideas coming; we can do with more of those.
    Btw, I wonder if anyone else is coming to the conclusion that the B o E may soon cut interest rates to a minus figure, and banks could then charge us 3.5% for us to keep our money in their FSCS-protected accounts? I'd like that to be a joke, but it wouldn't be funny.

  • 8. Tim W

    (25 July 2012, 01:01PM)  Complain about this comment

    (continued) If you want a quick sale you can offer a discount so that the equivalent rate the buyer gets increased (much like a bond price can fluctuate). The risk here is you are the mercy of market rates however this can work both ways, if the market rate has dropped you may be able to sell your loans at a premium to other investors. I do agree with Bengt's view that I believe many investors do not realise the level of risk they are taking on and therefore offer interest rates that are too low. I believe all the sites offer statistics on levels of bad debts so it is fairly easy to calculate reasonable rates that take into the risks.

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