It's time to raise the minimum wage

Jan 19, 2010, 01:25

Comments (54)

What would you do if you were the Chancellor and you'd just announced that halving the UK's annual budget deficit was "non-negotiable"? There are a few things I think we'd all get sorted in a hurry. We'd cap all public sector salaries at, say, £175,000. We'd cut all benefits to the middle classes. We'd try and make the tax system flatter and less complicated (how hard can it be?). And we'd ban management consultants.

But then what? Here's an idea. How about we increase the minimum wage by 30% or so, making one hour of basic work worth £7.50 and a year's work on the minimum wage (assuming a 40 hour week and four weeks paid holiday) worth £15,600, rather than the current £11,856.

It might sound mad at first, but it does make some sense. The current minimum wage is not a living wage. Pretty much everyone on it has to have their income topped up by the state (via tax credits and so on). That means the taxpayer has to subsidise the bottom-of-the-pay-rung employees at our supermarkets and fast-food outlets. And that, in turn, means we are subsidising our supermarkets and fast-food outlets. They keep their profits high, in part, by paying low wages. That's something they can only get away with because the welfare state picks up the slack. The profits then go to their shareholders and the taxpayer gets left to top up the wages.
 
Doesn't sound quite right does it? So why not make the companies pay living wages, stop the state subsidies and cut the benefits bill in the process? Raising the minimum wage might also finally provide some incentive for the long-term unemployed to get back into work. I wouldn't give up my housing allowance and benefits to take an unsecure job on £5.80 an hour. But I might for £7.50 an hour.

Long-term unemployment is very expensive (think drugs, crime and the social impact of multi-generational workless families) so reducing it can only be good for the deficit (to say nothing of the long-term unemployed).

Finally, it is well documented that the poor spend a higher proportion of their income than the rich. So pretty much everything that we might make, say, a supermarket pay its employees would end up being spent – probably in that same supermarket. That's good for the economy too.
 
The objections to this are obvious. It isn't very free market. Firms forced to pay high wages might go bust. It'll make it hard for us to compete with foreign labour. But I'm not sure any of these arguments are good enough. Our labour market isn't free anyway (it is distorted by our benefits system). Firms that can't afford to pay living wages or that depend on cheap labour probably shouldn't be in business anyway. If you operate in a developed country but can't afford to pay your workers enough to allow them to live in a developed country, are you a proper business or a state-subsidised job creation programme? And we shouldn't be competing globally on the cost of labour in the first place – it's far too late for that.

Right now I'm very glad I'm not the Chancellor and very glad I never will be. But if I were, I think I'd at least run the numbers on the minimum wage.

Comments (54)

Comments

  • 1. David

    (20 January 2010, 03:53AM)  Complain about this comment

    I agree entirely. The minimum wage should be set at half the average income (calculated to an hourly rate), and welfare should be set at a quarter. Also, the minimum wage should be for the minimum standard employee. That is an eighteen year old with no work experience. For each year someone has trained or obtained work experience they should get a 2.5% increase, with 20% more for a trade Diploma and an additional 20% for a degree. Work it out. It's about what the better firms are paying now anyway, (at least in Australia). Therefore here in OZ a graduate accountant would start on about $AUS48,000. Regards. Love your work

  • 2. Alex

    (20 January 2010, 08:56AM)  Complain about this comment

    I'm not so sure. The problem with anything mandated by Government is the lack of granularity....i.e. the inability to take account of local, even individual circumstances. Take for example South Central Wales....one of the poorest areas in Europe where a decent house can still be bought for under £30,000 ......120 miles down the road you have London.....one of the worlds richest cities where the average house costs more like £300,000.

    The problem with a minimum wage ( especially one based on a national average ) is that it's likely to over pay in the former area ( and be well below average wages in the latter area ) hurting business in poorer areas, exactly those areas where more private sector employment is most needed.

    You just end up holding back areas that are struggling, and having little or no effect in more affluent areas. In my opinion reforming the benefits system so that it's not an alternative to working in the first place would make better sense.

  • 3. Nigel

    (20 January 2010, 12:38PM)  Complain about this comment

    It's not a free market to subsidise the minimum wage supporting jobs that would not otherwise exist, but ultimately, aside from borrowing to support ourselves, pay must be related to productivity.

  • 4. Anthony

    (21 January 2010, 12:56PM)  Complain about this comment

    Rather than raising the minimum wage by 30% and destroying businesses we should cut all benefits by 50% and stop funding the cosy "5-bed house with sky tv" lifestyle of the feckless.
    With benefits reduced there will be more people looking to do something useful and the minimum wage will look attractive.

  • 5. leogecko

    (22 January 2010, 12:27PM)  Complain about this comment

    Raising the minimum wage will just make UK even less competitive in world markets. UK plc already spends far more than it earns.
    If there was no income support for the able bodied as in most of the third world, people would work at anything rather than starve. The only long term solution is to copy Ireland, bite the bullet and accept a period of austerity while we work off the excesses of the past and invest in being a world class competitive economy in the future. Cuts in public sector pay, public spending and state benefits are non pleasant, but fix the problem fast. Or rot like Japan, working hard but nothing ever getting better for 20 years. Time to face up to reality!

  • 6. peter

    (23 January 2010, 10:37AM)  Complain about this comment

    Why not raise the minimum wage to £1m an hour? The arguments you put forward could equally well apply.

    In truth, we would be better scrapping the minimum wage altogether and ending welfare.

    All a minimum wage ever does is to lop off the bottom of the labour market, leaving the least productive workers permanently unemployed.

    If you can only produce £5 of value an hour, you will never work again if the minimum wage is £7.50.

  • 7. Puffdragon

    (23 January 2010, 10:38AM)  Complain about this comment

    If your argument is right, why stop at a 20% increase? Why not double the minimum wage?

    I think the right thing to do is to abolish the minimum wage. Let the market find the equilibrium point.

    A flexible labour force is a huge economic asset and a minimum wage at the current level distorts the flexibility. Raising the minimum will distort it further.

  • 8. Matthew

    (23 January 2010, 10:49AM)  Complain about this comment

    This is an excellent idea. Some may say that this will make us less competitive with other countries. However, we cannot compete on wage costs with the third world. Something like 80% of jobs are in service industries, and probably a larger proportion of low paid jobs, so there is no competition with overseas in these jobs.

    An interesting exercise to carry out is to divide the profits of big companies such as WalMart, Tesco, etc. by the number of employees. You will quickly see that there is no problem for them to pay more as they are making plenty of profit per employee (over £10,000 per employee for Tesco).

    The minimum wage in an area should be set by the local government, not centrally so that it can properly reflect the costs of living in each area.

  • 9. K.eep I.t S.imple S.tupid

    (23 January 2010, 10:52AM)  Complain about this comment

    "I wouldn't give up my housing allowance and benefits to take an unsecure job on £5.80 an hour. But I might for £7.50 an hour." - If so, why not just reduce benefits to £0 so that £5.80 becomes a fantastic incentive?

    "Our labour market isn't free anyway (it is distorted by our benefits system)." - Uh, that is actually a strong argument for reducing benefits, not for increasing them.

  • 10. Trevor

    (23 January 2010, 11:00AM)  Complain about this comment

    It won't happen, of course, but I agree with Merryn - it could work. Many people on minimum wage are providing local services to industries that never export - supermarket check-outs, cleaners, and the like. For these, the effect on cost/profit is the same for all of them, so relative competitiveness is unaffected. Those involved in maufacturing can't compete on labour costs with developing counties even at £5.80 an hour, so these too are likely to be selling locally; again no change in relative competitiveness. And that means little increase in unemployment would result.

  • 11. Joshua

    (23 January 2010, 11:08AM)  Complain about this comment

    Great idea. If we pay out more in benefits than we take in taxes is never a good idea.

    Particularly as unemployment is set to rise (in my view it has risen when you look at the under employed, plus the 2,000,000 plus who cannot claim benefits plus 2.46m statistically unemployed).

    Creative reporting of statistical information is unhelpful in real terms and is tantamount of running a false economy.

  • 12. Thinkling

    (23 January 2010, 11:12AM)  Complain about this comment

    Do you raise old age pensions too?

  • 13. jorji

    (23 January 2010, 11:27AM)  Complain about this comment

    Umm... you'd cut all benefits to the middle classes? So all benefits would have to be means tested, then. And this makes the tax system less complicated? I think not.

    By the way, if you're serious about raising the minimum wage, how about cancelling employers NI contributions in compensation?

  • 14. Simply in the red

    (23 January 2010, 11:32AM)  Complain about this comment

    We simply need the government to cut spending our money. I was at Enoch Powell's Morecambe speech and have yet to hear aything better. After Brown, there is about a trillion more scope for savings today. Just look at benefits.
    Follow the link and find "Morecambe Budget".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Powell

  • 15. G Pickford

    (23 January 2010, 11:43AM)  Complain about this comment

    The biggest problem in this country is that all the industry as gone to china. There are thousand of people chasing a very few jobs. if you stop benefits or decrese them all you will do is fill the over populated prisons as as no-one will be able to afford to eat.
    If ever full time employment is to come back into this country we must get out of the E.U and start makining stuff in this country.
    Then there would be no need to pay any kind of benefits.

  • 16. StevieGee

    (23 January 2010, 11:44AM)  Complain about this comment

    In addition to increasing the minimum wage one should lower the retirement age for both men and women. This would create more consumers and create more jobs for the younger generations.

  • 17. Bridget

    (23 January 2010, 11:50AM)  Complain about this comment

    Spot on Merryn! I have long thought that a proper living wage is the most obvious remedy for tackling a benefit-dependent underclass. Giving these people and their children a proper stake in society would benefit all of us. It is also high time that the taxpayer should not have to finance the shortfall that very low wages create. How about councils also having their own public housing stock to end the spiraling costs of housing benefit yet again funded by the taxpayer? It might also help to bring down the cost of housing for all of us and the subsequent strain on family life.

  • 18. Leigh

    (23 January 2010, 12:12PM)  Complain about this comment

    I have never understood the benefits system - but it seems to me that a lot of people on benefits have never worked. Is there a good reason why benefits could not be linked to your NI no and anyone who has not contributed 5 years worth of contributions - does not get benefits. I also do not understand why someone living in the middle of wales where living costs are cheaper gets the same benefits as someone living in central london. Also why do asylum seekers with 6 children get given a 1.5m house which the rest of us hard workers can only dream of! Why not send them to a part of the country where it is cheaper to house them?

  • 19. Stephen J

    (23 January 2010, 12:26PM)  Complain about this comment

    Our economy is at a turning point.
    We in the UK are going to get collectively relatively poorer.
    By Inflation, by unemployment and pressure on wages, by asset value reduction, by higher taxes?
    How do we choose to spread the pain? That’s the politics.

    For me
    Simplify the Tax and benefits system. That means cutting some tax allowances, some benefits (and less means testing)
    Increase the tax threshold say to £10K.
    Cap all public sector salaries at, say, £175,000.
    Introduce say 50% Company tax on all employees paid over an upper limit eg £500K.
    And maybe along with the higher inflation that seems likely, we should increase the minimum wage, as Merryn suggests.

  • 20. Henrietta

    (23 January 2010, 12:40PM)  Complain about this comment

    I think we should have a minimum wage of £10 per hour, no taxation until £20,000 per annum. Also those in banking should have all salaries reduced to a maximum of £30.ooo , still above national average) until the money borrowed is repaid. There should be no bonuses. No employee should earn more than 5 times the lowest salary in any organisation.
    Anyone of any integrity would not accept a salary more than the ratio proposed. No company should be able to borrow money to function. They should keep sufficient funds to run day to day. They should not be able to borrow to buy other businesses.
    No-one should profit from mergers or takeovers.
    Farmers should be paid fair prices by retailers, and encouraged to provide enough food for the population of our country.

  • 21. Ken

    (23 January 2010, 12:40PM)  Complain about this comment

    I agree but it would be counterproductive unless combined with measures to ensure it didn't attract even more "economic immigrants".

  • 22. Gary

    (23 January 2010, 12:55PM)  Complain about this comment

    I`m from Ireland where the minium wage is about £7.50/hour. Thats fine for Tesco`s and the like but several labour intensive Irish companies ( the few that are left ) are struggling to surive . The small firms associations are trying to lower the mininun wage by 10 % with obvious condemnation from the unions. The wage cost in Ireland is one of the highest in the world and because of that over the last 10 years or so labour intensive manufacturing has been wiped out.
    The Air traffic controllers in Dublin airport went on strike this week, looking for a 6% payrise. Their average pay is € 160,000. In UK Air traffic controllers are paid £ 69,000. They are not to bothered about the minium wage

  • 23. MALCOM

    (23 January 2010, 01:14PM)  Complain about this comment

    Perhaps a better path to consider would be a ceiling on wages in public companies - no employee may be paid more than say 11 times the lowest paid worker. This would have a similar effect to what Merryn proposes but would ensure more investment of profits and greater dividends to shareholders who support companies. Incidently, I would also ban dealing in shares you don't own!

  • 24. Andy

    (23 January 2010, 01:49PM)  Complain about this comment

    Being a business owner I totaly agree with paying an employee a good wage, but when you are hardly making any wage yourself or taking holidays and covering their holiday entitlement when will it all end. I run a pub and the TAX burden alone is huge, this alone dictates how many we employ and how much we can afford to pay.

  • 25. bob

    (23 January 2010, 01:52PM)  Complain about this comment

    the changes in minimum wage proposed would, if applied to a worker with partner [ non working] with 2 children not change their working tax credits and child tax credits by more than £1 but it would change his housing benefits to make him only about £5 a week better off
    ho hum and as tax credits are based on income year in arrears !
    If this same family breadwinner was unemployed and then started work on the existing minimum wage they would be about £80 a week better off
    on the higher minimum wage they are £110/week better off [ after loosing £100/week in housing benefits]

  • 26. Alan

    (23 January 2010, 02:46PM)  Complain about this comment

    I find it interesting the people who think welfare claiments are 'bad' but are quite happy for companies (or people) to 'steal' from the state (us) by either legitimately avoiding taxes or illegelly evading them. When was the last time you read in the Daily Mail; 'Company avoids millions of pounds tax bill by sending profits to Cayman Island'
    When will companies realise they are part of the society we live in and behave as a responible member, sometimes making decisions for the whole of soceity not just their directors and shareholders interests. (I am not holding my breath)
    How can the public hold companies more to account is a question I would like to ask.
    Yes, a wage people can live on.

  • 27. catherine

    (23 January 2010, 03:51PM)  Complain about this comment

    I think this is a ludicrous idea, Britain is a nation of shopkeepers, whilst the large corporate companies might be able to afford that, they would make cuts elsewhere, it would kill small businesses, this Government has already done this with the public sector, who now earn an average whopping 7% more than the private sector who will have to work an extra 3 years to cover the public sectors benefits and overinflated penisions and look at the spending mess the Government are in now. This would just put alot of small business out of business, what we need to do is find a way to get back to encourage small business, this Government has FAILED To do that by getting in bed with Massive Corporations, going balistic on Government spending at the expense of the private sector and no doubt would tax that extra two pounds odd away anyway!

  • 28. Andrew

    (23 January 2010, 04:14PM)  Complain about this comment

    I think that the minimum wage should be abolished and allow the job market to find its own rate. You have only got to look at Ireland in a previous comment to see that £7.50/hour would not work it would kill the small businesses which are the backbone of any recovery. My wife employs sereral people on the min wage and a few above that and any large increase has to be paid across the board with extremely inflational results and would incur job losses

  • 29. Uphill Struggle

    (23 January 2010, 05:03PM)  Complain about this comment

    The UK never recovered from the 70's wage inflation. Wage rises mean higher prices as costs increase. We then cannot export.

    What we need to do is have a fairer tax system. Currently low earners are paying too much. The threshold before tax should be raised to £12k to make work viable to people on benefits.

    Labour created massive inequality in the UK they wanted to remove the 10p tax. 2008 they reduced Capital Gains Tax from 40% to 18% for high earners so they can avoid tax via various loopholes.

    What we also need is a punitive tax on second homes/BTL. High house prices mean people have too much debt to service. Less disposable income means less economy

    The bankers are the tip of the iceberg and executive pay in general has spiralled. We should be making pay cuts at the top end in both the private and public sector. Currently CEO's are cutting jobs to cut costs. If pay was cut at the top it would fund lots more jobs at the bottom.

  • 30. sue

    (23 January 2010, 06:06PM)  Complain about this comment

    Until illhealth forced me to retire I ran a small business. It was a healthy business, employed staff and provided a service for my community. If I had had to pay over £7 an hour my staff would have been earning more than I was.Living in a rural area just above minimum wage was all the market would support. On top of wages were all the usual staff entitlements of holiday pay etc. Luckily I could ask local people whom I knew were right if they wanted a job but have employed far too many who thought just turning up was all that was required. People need to be paid what they are worth, I believe it is more often those at the top who earn obcene amounts.
    It is not paying a minimum or maximum wage, it is sorting out the benefit system. There are too many for whom it is a career choice. Don't forget people on benefits have votes, who would you vote for if you were unemployed?

  • 31. Paul

    (23 January 2010, 06:51PM)  Complain about this comment

    The cost of living is well out of kilter with the minimum wage in this country which is no doubt what is pushing so many people into debt.
    Living costs need to come down or wages need to go up to make ends meet....I certainly wouldn't like to have to pay for rent, bills, food and a pension whilst earning such a small amount.

    The British economy needs rebalancing because it is top heavy and people have relied on asset price appreciation rather than focusing on wage growth over the last decade.

    Well done for bringing up the subject.

  • 32. Tony

    (23 January 2010, 06:52PM)  Complain about this comment

    If the economy is to become based upon high-skilled products, then we would need to make sure that the minimum wage goes to workers who cannot compete at the higher levels. So no Tesco jobs to graduates. And China had better buy our high-tech goods!

  • 33. Jeff D Doncaster

    (23 January 2010, 07:14PM)  Complain about this comment

    Nannying small businesses with help from the state for low income workers or not,. if you think we are in a state now, unemployment at stratospheric levels and the spectre/ prospect of a double dip recession on our door step, I would urge the writer to get real.

  • 34. Al Lindsay

    (23 January 2010, 07:44PM)  Complain about this comment

    Merryn is right to bring up this subject. If the tax system can be simplified by removing all the tax credits and rebates the savings in efficiency for the Inland Revenue would be enormous. Insisting that companies pay their staff at least enough to survive on would mean that it is not the tax payer that picks up the tab. Yes it would take some time to work through the system and many small companies would suffer until a new balance settled that is for sure, but in the end, even with the inflationary pressure it would create, it has to be better than an inefficient system churning around all the means testing numbers to give back rebates and tax credits. All those people employed doing this current means testing for tax credits are just wasting their time and our money. Taking with one hand to give back with the other is utterly pointless. Pay a sensible minimum wage to survive on, raise the tax threshold a bit and remove the tax credits.

  • 35. Robert Burgess

    (23 January 2010, 09:10PM)  Complain about this comment

    By and large Britain's labour force can only work, when our currency exchange rates become internationally equitable.
    When Milton Fretedman proposed free trade, he expected western governments to maintain cost effective exchange rates so we could competitively manufacture.
    Selling off national assets, increasing national debt, printing more money, is one way of doing it.




    .

  • 36. Jim

    (23 January 2010, 09:23PM)  Complain about this comment

    Agree with some of the comments that minimum wage should be tailored to where people live.

    How does the USA and others manage its minimum wage?

    With PAYE, there is a significant cost to collecting taxes, so if the tax allowance is raised that would cut down on admin and save costs. Granted government, would no doubt increase taxes on what we buy but at least we would have a choice on what to buy.

    Agree that the benefit system needs to be sorted. How about treasury and benefits offices talking? If they got there heads together then they might achieve a measure of saving there.

    I wonder if those who advocate cutting the benefit system have ever been unemployed?

    I had to live on £25 a week from 1994 to 1997 on the Isle of Wight and being over 40 meant getting a job absolutely impossible. Being put on a scheme for long time unemployed where I had access to information to apply for jobs further afield meant I finally, at last, got a job in Southampton.

  • 37. James

    (23 January 2010, 10:16PM)  Complain about this comment

    One of the worst tax's is NI especialy in the public sector the employers portion is a tax on tax. So it would be better to scrap employers contributions and transfer them to employees .Tax credits could be simplyfied by adjusting the tax code if earnings are above code tax to be deducted below tax to be refunded.
    This would reduce fraud and also do away with the need for a army of administrators.Thereby reducing the burden on the public sector.

  • 38. Dave the vegman

    (23 January 2010, 10:33PM)  Complain about this comment

    Best idea I've for years, If you have 2/3 days a week to spare could you run the country for us ?

  • 39. John

    (23 January 2010, 11:26PM)  Complain about this comment

    Whenever the government interfere with markets, including labour markets, unintended consequences are often bigger issues than the original one. Many people cannot justify being paid £7.50 and hour and are very happy to do something not too demanding for less, or do it in hours of their choice, or at their pace perhaps when elderly and slower looking for company and pocket money. It would be far better to simplify state benefits to a safety net for people in real trouble, and make life more difficult for those who could work but choose to live on the state.

  • 40. Carol

    (23 January 2010, 11:31PM)  Complain about this comment

    I wish I could understand some of the comments already made - perhaps I am too dim! However, I totally see Merryn's point about the minimum wage. £5-80 is a dreadfully small amount to receive, made worse by seeing the ridiculous amounts "earned" by the supposed talent we cannot do without. Well - we should try! No-one deserves multi millions a year. And yes, we are subsidising big businesses by paying benefits to their workers. It's quite wrong.
    Unfortunately if the minimum wage is raised I fear that it would encourage more foreign workers to come and probably be paid on the black market.
    Really and truly I just despair of the situation this country is in. Thank you Gordon for 10 years of being an appalling Chancellor

  • 41. springheel_jack

    (23 January 2010, 11:50PM)  Complain about this comment

    The problem is that whilst the measure would reduce the incentive for those on benefits to remain unemployed, it would also raise costs for a lot of marginal businesses already struggling with severe economic headwinds, most likely reducing the number of jobs available, and possibly by a large number.

    The net effect might therefore just be more unemployed which would seem unlikely to help government finances much, given also that the implicit basis for your argument is that those jobs that are available are competing with a welfare system that already pays the jobless a living wage for doing nothing. That is a serious problem to which your proposal is not, with respect, the obvious solution.

    The government should not be subsidising low paid jobs, but the best way to effect that is to end the subsidies, rather than to levy a large extra tax on an already embattled private sector. Not all low paid jobs are provided by rich multinationals. I suspect that most are not.

  • 42. The Coal Face Kid

    (24 January 2010, 07:12AM)  Complain about this comment

    I run businesses employing 70 people. 2 of the businesses would not be affected by the Minimum wage going to £7.50. It would have an impact on the core business though. I can only improve business performance there by cutting costs or increasing work to subscribers or a combination of both. I would rather employ 17 quality people at £7.50 or more an hour than 20 average ones at £6.83 an hour. Bottom line is that if the Government put up the minimum wage, 3 jobs go. Nothing actually happens without a Private Sector. Government’s role is to redistribute Private Sector earnings without killing the Goose that lays the Golden Egg. Capital does not have a conscience and needs no passport to move to where it believes it will obtain the best return. The Law of Unintended Consequences will kick in big style there is further Government tampering with wages rates instead of cutting government spending on Welfare etc. It is imperative that Welfare spend be reduced in non-essential areas

  • 43. Tony

    (24 January 2010, 07:43AM)  Complain about this comment

    What percentage of the work-force is on minimum wage, Merryn? Also, what would you do for for any that are left unemployed/ what would there benefits be?

  • 44. Michael

    (24 January 2010, 08:15AM)  Complain about this comment

    Raising the minimum wage would just add further distortions, and provide a barrier to entry for those unable to provide enough value to the employer. Better to scrap income tax and limit Government spending to 25% of GDP. The majority of all economic transactions could be conducted by people direct without the drag of bureaucratic interference. The inherent genius in this country would then begin to thrive again, debts would get paid off and prosperity would return.

  • 45. Mark

    (24 January 2010, 08:21AM)  Complain about this comment

    You can't be serious! Cutting the minimum wage (not matter how unfair it is) would increase INCREASE unemployment.

    These low income employees may be subsidised by the state, but it is still cheaper than paying them full unemployment.

  • 46. joy

    (24 January 2010, 08:44PM)  Complain about this comment

    I totally agree with your comments. The state of the economy needs to bring the lower income bracket to an income level sufficient to live, this is 2010 so why on earth have things become so uneven ? If people earned enough to pay all the expenses to live in this country they would not seek out credit and would support businesses in the uk.

  • 47. Mark Parker

    (25 January 2010, 08:31AM)  Complain about this comment

    I'd go further, as other commenters have said, and make the national minimum wage £10/ph. If a job isn't worth a living wage (and I define a living wage as: enough to buy a house, keep a spouse and two children) then it's not a job we want in this country - foreigners can have it.

    Once the minimum wage is raised all in-work benefits must cease. The taxpayer should be subsidizing private industry. Business must stand or fall alone. In-work benefits recycle taxes into someone else's profits.

    Also, the effect on employers must be mitigated by abolishing NI and business rates. Businesses should only ever be taxed on profits, not day-to-day running costs.

  • 48. Dave

    (25 January 2010, 09:54AM)  Complain about this comment

    We have a fundamentally unstable system. The benefits are too great, which encourages an unemployment career path. It is also what is causing the influx of migrants and our government overspend. A ll the unemployed have votes and they multiply quicker than the rest. The minimum wage is already much greater than the wages in less well off areas - jobs are therefore moving to lower paid areas of the World. Our technology advantage which might have helped is lessening by our own governments attacks on our productive industries such as mining fishing farming and manufacturing. We have squandered our north sea oil. We have at last learnt that we can't be saved by banking and insurance - or have we?

    We need to reduce benefits and cut the amount of centralized government overhead and knuckle down to some hard competive work in the basic industries we have scorned.

  • 49. Alastair MacMillan

    (25 January 2010, 11:37AM)  Complain about this comment

    Merryn's proposal is yet another rearrangement of the chairs on the deck of the sinking Titanic.

    To Quote Dr Adrian Rogers, 1931 to 2005
    "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

    To reverse the situation we need to build a truly dynamic economy based on entrepreneurialism.

  • 50. Bern in Dorset

    (25 January 2010, 04:12PM)  Complain about this comment

    Should married couples income be added together so income tax starts at £20,000 p.a for each family? With the increase of the minimum wage at £7.50 per hour, this could cut the need for so many expensive benefits which I am sure can help improve our economy. I agree with Merrym's proposal of £7.50 minimum rate per hour. Why subsidize employers with taxpayers money?

  • 51. Andy

    (26 January 2010, 09:50AM)  Complain about this comment

    I have been advocating this for a long time, increase the minimum wage and reduce benefits to make working essential and attractive again. The employer will not pay more because the government could reduce the NI take by the amount of benefits not paid out ensuring that businesses are still profitable. This will ensure that the unacademic youth of today will find respect by being able to provide for themselves rather than living of the state which is demeening and leads to a wasted life and a feeling of worthlessness

  • 52. doxon

    (26 January 2010, 12:13PM)  Complain about this comment

    Merryn points out that taxpayers currently subsidise supermarkets via tax credits paid to their employees on the minimum wage.Increasing the latter would not hit their profits,since they would just increase their prices. Then everyone,including poor non-taxpayers, would end up funding their employees.

    We may be seeing the first cracks in globalisation....Chinese imports are increasingly expensive in the West.Britain has to rebalance its economy,and this must include moving back into low-cost manufacturing. Making plastic clothes-hangers on the minimum wage should be a higher priority than paying someone to live off benefits. And, frankly,why shouldn't they be poor? Everyone in this country consumes items produced by poor people overseas.

  • 53. Tony Blighe

    (01 February 2010, 01:42PM)  Complain about this comment

    Scrap the minimum wage. Replace all benefits with a national 'social wage' which is paid whether people work or not. Let people keep everything they earn up to say £6k a year.

    The 'social wage' should be just about survivable, that's all.

    This simplifies the benefits system as no means testing is required. Everyone on the electoral role gets the same cheque each month.

    It provides a huge incentive for people to go out to work, as they keep their 'social wage' and everything they earn up to £6k.

    Plenty more jobs would become available at below todays minimum wage, especially if employemnt legislation for small businesses were to be given a severe pruning at the same time.

  • 54. Brent Wightman

    (09 February 2010, 03:44PM)  Complain about this comment

    you should be in the government this is the most sensible fair and just economic policy ive heard in ages but;
    it is flawed as long as the liblabcon continue to import millions of third world economic migrants and;
    east european workers are allowed to wander in as they please, better to have a work permit for our citizens protection such as is in operation with romania and bulgaria
    anybody who doesn't pay a living wage and is subsidized by the government i.e UK taxpayers whilst making a profit is operating with moral hazard and is unfair competition to our once great nation of shopkeepers
    yes let's have a level playing field and and stop this immoral drain on tax payers and put a dent in the disgrace and travesty of 6 million british citizens on benefits

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